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This forum is supplied for demonstration purposes only and is accessible via the IBM OS/2 BBS system. What you see below is the forum as it existed on 10/30/92. The IBM OS/2 Bulletin Board System (BBS) is IBM's new electronic support offering for OS/2 Version 2.0. With OS/2 BBS you can electronically review OS/2 technical information, submit program defects to IBM, and receive information on how to solve problems. Users of the OS/2 BBS not only include OS/2 customers, but the OS/2 expertise of the entire internal IBM community worldwide. OS2BBS makes all this available via a local or toll free number in most major cities. To request a complete OS/2 BBS Information Package detailing the OS/2 BBS offering and including pricing and registration/access information, please call: 1-800-547-1283. ===== OS2HW CFORUM created at 01:50:43 on 92/04/08 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) = IBM UNCLASSIFIED ---------------- The information in this forum is considered by IBM to be external and may be shared by everyone who is given access. This forum is shared with the internal IBM employee conferences. Forum: OS2HW CFORUM Forum subject: Hardware Vendor Adaptors and Systems for OS/2 This forum is provided as a conferencing tool for the discussion of issues, questions, and problems relating to the implementation of non-IBM hardware in OS/2 systems. This includes internal/external hardware, memory, and function cards that may be installed in IBM equipment under the OS/2 operating system. Contributions must not contain confidential or proprietary information. Each contributor agrees, in placing material in this forum, that IBM and other users are free to prepare derivative works based upon it, and to use, reproduce, perform, display and distribute inside and outside their company such material and such derivative works, without obligation or charge. IBM is not responsible or liable for the use, copying, or distribution of materials placed on this forum, and has therefore no obligation to control such acts. All subscribers are required to abide at all times by the conference rules described in the Bulletin Board Rules under "News and Announcements". All IBM personnel are required to abide at all times by the IBMPC RULES and the IBM Business Conduct Guidelines. IBM personnel will read the CUSTOMER FORUM RULES in IBMPC RULES before contributing. Contributions violating these rules will be deleted by the CFORUM Owner or their delegate, and in some cases by an IBM conference Administrator. The OS2BBS CFORUM is where anyone may raise concerns regarding rules violations found in this and other CFORUMS. The IBM Owner of this forum is: Name: Kenneth M. Hopkins, OS/2 Support Services Mailing Address: IBM Manufacturing and Development 11400 Burnet Road Internal Zip 2900-042/1D003 Austin, Texas 78758 IBM Node/Userid: AUSVM8/HOPKINS ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:52:51 on 92/04/09 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: ECAs Would it be possible for the sysop to post a listing of all the ECAs applicable to PS/2s and related hardware? There are a number that are directly affected by OS/2 V2 (e.g. ECA011 and ECA071) plus I have recently heard the the ImageAdapter requires one for V2 support. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:10:34 on 92/04/12 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Lanstatic Is there any way to use the Lanstatic cards in the OS/2 side? Is it supported? Any plans to support? Geza Szivos ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:38:58 on 92/04/16 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) Subject: ECAs Ref: Append at 11:52:51 on 92/04/09 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) ECAs are distributed automatically to IBM authorized PS/2 servicers. Other servicers or individuals may purchase a complete list of currently available ECAs in publication S230-9094 -- Industry Systems & PS/2 ECAs/Service Memorandums. Since this is a purchased publication, we cannot post a listing in an openly available forum. I'm not quite sure what you mean by OS/2 V2 affecting an ECA. The two you mentioned predate 2.0 so they're certainly not specific to OS/2 V2 and they only pertain to certain hardware combinations. There is an ECA for the ImageAdapter, but it too is related to specific hardware installations and not OS/2. If you're experiencing a problem, append another item with a detailed description and perhaps we can pinpoint the problem a little. Of course, I would also suggest you try your local service rep. Brent Allen - IBM OS/2 Base Services Support ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:52:52 on 92/04/16 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: ECAs Ref: Append at 16:38:58 on 92/04/16 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) Brent: Thank you, I will chase down the publication. As to V2.0 and ECAs, early 386 based PS/2s used the B1 step chip. This chip has problems running with a 387 and using (I think) its paging registers. ECA 011 (for the Mod80) and ECA 071 (Mod70) were originally published due to running AIX on these machines. These ECAs were updated for OS/2 V2.0 in mid-January. Basically, if one has a 386B1 PS/2 with a 387 running OS/2 V2.0 the 387 will be disabled by the operating system. I found this out by downloading the 386STEP package from ESDTOOLS (also available on OS2TOOLS). The package contains a small program to test for the presence of a 386B1 and a brief description of the ECAs. Since then, on the OS2GAMES forum, when complaining about some snow when running in OS/2 V2.0 in MCGA mode I have been informed that there was another ECA on my Mod70 that replaces the EPROMS. This, this I have been told, might clear up the snow. As I am now starting to run into problems with my Mod70 and OS/2 V2.0 and since IBM has issued a number of ECAs on the machine and since I will be sending the machine in to get the 386B1 replaced with a 386D0 ala ECA 071 I thought it would be best to find out all the ECAs outstanding and get them fixed all at one (whew! I am out of breath!) Once again, thanks for the information. I will talk to my SE about it. Michael Harper. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:37:28 on 92/04/17 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 19:31:14 on 92/04/17 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: ECAs Ref: Append at 11:52:51 on 92/04/09 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) oops, erroneous reply removed. Ken Hopkins IBM M&D: OS/2 Software Service/Support ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:12:34 on 92/04/27 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: ECAs Ref: Append at 18:37:28 on 92/04/17 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Ken: I would go initially with summary messages based upon machine models, e.g. "ECAs for Model 70 PS/2s". Then, have the ability to allow participants to read or download the full ECAs if they so desired. Of course, these would be kept upto date ... Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:10:59 on 92/04/30 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Tip on AMI BIOS and OS/2: Washburn & Co. Distributors of AMI Motherboard and BIOS Products 3800 Monroe Avenue, Pittsford, NY 14534 716-248-3627 FAX 716-381-7549 Considerations in the Use of the AMI BIOS with OS/2: AMI BIOS's of modern vintage provide a Screen ID Code, visible at the lower left of the screen during the initial RAM count, and whi ch can be made to return by resetting with Ctrl-Alt-Del: AMI BIOS and AMI BIOS Plus: aaaa-bbbb-mmddyy-Kc AMI Hi-Flex BIOS: ee-ffff-bbbbbb-gggggggg-mmddyy-hhhhhhhh-c If the screen ID code is in a form other than this the BIOS is either extremely old, or was produced by a company with a source code license. In the former case contact us for update information, but in the latter case only the motherboard manufacturer will be ab le to provide further information or updates. Everex 386 BIOS's are in this latter category. General Rules: 1. If an IDE type hard drive is installed the date ("mmddyy") should be 040990 or later for use with ANY operating system, DOS incl uded, due to the special timing requirements of IDE drives which were accommodated on the date noted. 2. With any other drive type, such as MFM, RLL, ESDI or SCSI, OS/2 may be expected to install and operate correctly if "mmddyy" is 092588 or later, provided that the Keyboard Controller Revision Level is suitable for the version of OS/2 being used. Note also that in the case of SCSI hard drives a driver compatible with the version of OS/2 being installed is likely to be required, and a specia l installation procedure may apply. 3. The Keyboard Controller Revision Levels ("c" in the Screen ID Code Examples above) expected to produce proper installation and o peration of the various OS/2 versions are as follows: OS/2 1.0 or 1.1: 8, B, D or F OS/2 1.2x: D or F OS/2 1.3x or 2.0: F 4. If the Keyboard Controller Revision Level shows as 0 then the Keyboard Controller chip is NOT an AMI chip, even if an AMI Licens e Sticker was applied to it by the motherboard OEM. This means that its performance under OS/2 is unknown - it may or may not work correctly. In some cases an AMI chip can successfully replace a non-AMI chip, but this is NOT a general rule - often the non-standa rd Keyboard Controller was used to combine motherboard functions 7't normally part of the Controller, and substituting a standard ch ip will cause the board to not function at all. In this case there is no solution other than replacement of the board. A Revision Level of 9 accompanied by a non- standard ID Code also indicates a non-standard controller (and BIOS), and the motherboard manufactu rer should be contacted for further information. BIOS Updates: If a BIOS prior to the dates noted above requires replacement, note the following: 1. AMI BIOS and BIOS Plus series BIOS (16 character ID Code) for CACHED motherboards are customized for individual motherboard desi gns, and can ONLY be obtained from the motherboard OEM, with only THREE common exceptions: a) BIOS's with "aaaa" = E307 can often be replaced with a standard type. b) BIOS's for Northgate or Motherboard Factory motherboards EXCEPT the Northgate Slimline can be replaced by a standard type. c) BIOS's with "aaaa" = DAMI, DAMX, or EDAMI are usually for cached boards designed and/or built by AMI, and if so can be updated. 2. The complete Screen ID Code is required to properly address whether a BIOS update for other motherboards can be provided, and in the case of the Hi-Flex BIOS the complete SECOND and THIRD lines of the ID Code are also necessary. If not immediately visible on the screen they may be viewed by pressing the <INS> key during boot-up. This entry was pulled from the FIDONET OS/2 service. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:45:35 on 92/05/06 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Subject: External 5.25" HD Diskette drive I have a 4869 HD external drive that uses $fdd5.sys device driver to load under DOS. I have been unsuccessful to get this drive active for OS2...Sure wuold l ike to use it. I'v tried 2 different things: first is adding a DEVICE=C:\OS2\E XTDSKDD.SYS /D:2 /F:1. This one gave me an error message and didn't load. So I tried DEVICE=C:\OS2\$FDD5.SYS. This one loaded, but I didn't get the D: driv e Icon. What am I missing. Randy Scott, Syracuse ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:51:02 on 92/05/06 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Subject: Hitachi CDROM Would like to use my HITACHI CDROm model CDR-1503S through OS2...How can I get this to work? Randy Scott ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:51:15 on 92/05/06 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: External 5.25" HD Diskette drive Ref: Append at 13:45:35 on 92/05/06 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Try the EXT5DD.SYS; works on our 8580. The README on the option disk tells how to manually or automatically install the device driver. Ken Hopkins Os/2 Software Service and Support ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:18:35 on 92/05/07 GMT (by IL48722 at OS2CUST) Subject: Hitachi CDROM Ref: Append at 13:51:02 on 92/05/06 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Ditto my CDR-1750S! ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:04:22 on 92/05/07 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Subject: 5.25" HD external drive There is no readme file on my option diskette. I got the drive in 1990 and the file dates are 1988. So how can I do it? Randy Scott, Syracuse ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:00:43 on 92/05/07 GMT (by SCGCSJM at OS2CUST) Subject: Model 80 5.25 Floppy and CD-ROM Support I read an article in today's (5/7/92) edition of the L.A. Times indicating that OS/2 2.0 does not support the following equipment installed in an IBM PS/2 Mod el 80: o IBM 5.25 inch Floppy Driver (Author did not specify external vs. internal) o External CD-ROM Player (Author did not specify vendor) I am planning to install my GA copy of OS/2 2.0 on the following platform: o IBM PS/2 Model 80-A31 w/ Internal IBM 5.25 inch floppy drive w/ IBM external CD-ROM drive (Model 3510-001) Is my proposed hardware platform supported out of the box by OS/2? If not, what additional software/drivers are required? Thanks! ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:21:47 on 92/05/07 GMT (by ZDWD1 at OS2CUST) - Subject: Model 80 5.25 Floppy and CD-ROM Support Ref: Append at 15:00:43 on 92/05/07 GMT (by SCGCSJM at OS2CUST) I can't help on the external 5-1/4 drive but I have been running the external IBM CD-ROM drive for months on both the beta code and the GA code. On the beta releases I used the drivers supplied with the drive but have switched to the drivers supplied in GA (with the exception of the playcd stuff for music cd's which I haven't tried on the GA code). ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:18:47 on 92/05/08 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) Subject: 128MB Rewritable Boot Device Since the 8595 will allow booting from alternate devices, I think one should be able to boot the system from the 128Mb rewitable optical device. This probably is not possible without some upgrade to the current system partition but would be a great asset to OS/2' usability. I would envision the capability of having a full-function OS/2 boot diskette for problem resolution; plus the ability to install OS/2 from a single diskette. CSD's could be distributed on this media also. Even products like Extended Services, LAN Server, DDCS/2, etc could be distributed. One could probably order OS/2, various other related software or libraries of documentation, and have a customized disk built in minutes for shipment. I was wondering if anyone inside IBM had been able to accomplish this (ie booting from such a device). Any information would be appreciated. Thanks! Brooks McNeely ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:59:15 on 92/05/10 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Model 80 5.25 Floppy and CD-ROM Support Ref: Append at 21:21:47 on 92/05/07 GMT (by ZDWD1 at OS2CUST) With respect to the external 5.25, we reported this elsewhere, but here it is again: the driver $fDD5.sys is a DOS driver; it is required with dual boot or MOST if the floppy drive is wanted in DOS. It is only used in the DOS config.sys file. EXT5DD.sys is the OS2 driver for the external 5.25 floppy. It worked OS2 1.x and continues to work in 2.0. It is used only in the OS2 config file. It does not come with OS2, but I found it on the original disk which came with the drive. I use identical external drives on both a mod 80 and a mod 70 under OS2 2.0, and both run without difficulty with EXT5DD.sys. On the mod 80, I also use DOS5 in MOST, so I use $FDD5.sys for the DOS boot. With respect to the 3510 CDROM, I have been using it on the mod 70 under OS2 since 1.3, and through all the beta drops of 2.0, and now under GA. It came with a software disk. A set of these is for use with DOS, and others for OS2. When 2.0 came along, I noticed that the installation program automatically loads a generic CDROM driver. This is apparent after the message about selecting installation options. (The reboot after the 2nd use of the Install disk, I think after #5). Clicking on the button to the right of CDROM on the list indicates there are 2 choices, the default is the generic driver, the other is the IBM CDROM driver. I have consistently chosen the IBM driver since I have the the 3510. In every instance, I have had no difficulty using the drive with this driver. I am running a CorelDraw CDROM ToolBook Application on the drive using OS2-WIN and the sound and software on the drive. I'm also using a NEC massive clipart-drawing CDROM program. It also runs under Win-OS2, however, I had to get a new software driver from NEC so that the software on the disk would function in the Win-OS2 environment. Please drop a note to the publisher of the document you read the misinformation in, and call to their attention that their reporter was not only incorrect - but was doing a dis-service to the public! Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 04:10:17 on 92/05/10 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: OS2 2.0, Device Drivers, and Peripheral Devices I've indicated a specific problem concerning this issue in the ISTHERE Forum. Is the issue of Device Drivers a Hardware issue or a Software issue? On which fora should this be questioned and discussed. And how can we keep track of which devices work with GA, and which don't without a specific driver written for GA? There is a lot of misinformation out there. It isn't only the journalists that report misinformation. Often technical support people employed by the company that produces a device can't tell you anything, because the don't know much about OS2. I find this particularly a problem with respect to CDROM, OCR, and the like. AS we begin to add more Multimedia devices, the situation will apparently grow worse. Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:50:44 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: 57SLC Memory Looking at the specs for a 57SLC I see that memory interleaving is supported only when ALL the simms are 2 or 4MB. Thus the maximum memory with interleaving is only 12MB. What is the performance difference on the 57SLC with/without interleaving? Also, why, oh why did IBM only put three memory slots??? Would it have made that much difference having four?? Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:10:50 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 19:50:44 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Michael, Can you estimate the production costs of 1 more SIMM socket , inclu- ding the wiring, and compare it with the discount prize of a memory board? I estimate it 60c v 100$ . The biggest pain is loosing one expansion slot. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:39:51 on 92/05/12 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 19:50:44 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) I believe interleaving gives some performance improvement on the base 56 and 57SX models (non-SLC), but makes virtually no difference when the SLC chip is installed because of the operation of the on-chip cache. So, I wouldn't fuss to much about lack of interleaving in your case. Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:30:55 on 92/05/12 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 21:10:50 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Memory boards (on the bus) are not supported for the 56 and 57. May operate, but big performance hit. Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:16:08 on 92/05/13 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 21:10:50 on 92/05/12 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Geza: I believe the newer PS/2s, e.g. 57, 90, 95, do not like expansion boards. Besides, according to a recent PCMag, one takes a 25% performance hit on accessing expansion board memory (EISA its even larger). The 57SLC is almost a great machine. It has the slots and drive bays I like, plus the SLC complex. However, I think the 16bit slots plus the memory limitations will be a negative barrier in less than two years. The 90, also, is almost a great machine. My main complaints against it is the built-in XGA (IBM will, rsn, be announcing an XGA upgrade -- they have already released the monitor, the 8517), the three slots and the two drive bays. I think I would like a Mod 90 in a Mod 57 box! I am getting sorely tempted to upgrade my 4yr old Mod70 especially as I do not have any room to install MSC7 (48MB), IBM's Developers' Kit (30MB?), Ultima 7 (20MB), Stygian Abyss (11MB) ... In addition, I would like to go to XGA. That will cost me $2000 for addons to the 70. This is 2/3rds of a 57SLC and 1/2 a Mod90. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:58:02 on 92/05/13 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 21:39:51 on 92/05/12 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Dave: But does the cache help in GUI's? It is my limited understanding of caches that due to GUI programs mainly being call-this, call-that they do not do much good as the processor is always referencing outside addresses. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:03:16 on 92/05/13 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: 57SLC Memory Ref: Append at 18:58:02 on 92/05/13 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Absolutely the cache will help GUI's. Hit rate is not as high as some artificial benchmarks such as Landmark, but is still significant. The 88% improvement over the SX quoted by IBM is running real-world applications such as GUI's, not simplistic artificial benchmarks. It's also worth noting that the SLC is in many ways more comparable with a 486SX than a 386 (eg. the 8Kb on-board cache, #cycles per instruction), which is why its performance is very close to a 486SX (no ext. cache) at the same clock speed. I've never heard of anyone complaining that running a GUI slows a 486 down to the speed of a 386! Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:45:58 on 92/05/19 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) Subject: HITACHI EXTERNAL CDROM DRIVE MODEL 1503 I am still trying to hook my external Hitachi 1503s CDRom drive and use it thro ugh OS/2. Have not received any advice yet. How about some help. Randy Scott Syracuse School District 315-435-4516 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:38:51 on 92/05/21 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 23:50:14 on 92/05/26 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: Sony CD-ROM CDU-541 w/8-SCSI Future Domain TMC-850 help! I am trying to get my Sony CD-ROM CDU-541 drive working in OS/2 2.0. I unpacked FD8XX.ADD, which was supplied with 2.0 and added BASEDEV=FD8XX.ADD to my CONFIG.SYS. I am unable to see the drive! Is anybody out there able to access there CD-ROM drive(NON-IBM NON-TOSHIBA) with a TMC-850 Future Domain SCSI card? It would really be nice if I could read my IBM CD-ROM(Softcopy Pubs) with OS/2 BOOKREAD. My CD-ROM is just sitting in my machine collecting dust. I imagine more users feel are having this same problem. IBM talks about ULTIMEDIA, but it is VAPORMEDIA! Jim Mc ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:12:57 on 92/05/23 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: New drivers for Adaptec 154X, OS2TAPE or PMTAPE To anyone with a Adaptec 154X SCSI Adapter, you might want to check out the Adaptec BBS as they have new OS/2 drivers that fix some problems that some people were having. Does anybody know about OS2TAPE and PMTAPE? We have heard that hese programs are having problems, where can I get a CSD or whatever for these? Thanks Mike Long Iowa State University ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:51:22 on 92/05/23 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: New drivers for Adaptec 154X, OS2TAPE or PMTAPE Ref: Append at 01:12:57 on 92/05/23 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Refer to the answer to your PMTAPE question in the OS/2 Applications Forum - OS2APPS. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:00:50 on 92/05/24 GMT (by XXUGAS67 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Hitachi CDROM Ref: Append at 02:18:35 on 92/05/07 GMT (by IL48722 at OS2CUST) Nancy Griff Union Gas Limited ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:34:30 on 92/05/27 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: SCSI Audio Card and OS2 Can anyone recommend a SCSI Audio Card that can be installed in a IBM mod 3511-003 external storage enclosure, and that will work in OS2 in conjunction with CDROMs? Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:12:12 on 92/05/27 GMT (by ANYE93 at OS2CUST) Subject: SCSI Board/Drive not Recognized (no text entered) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:21:51 on 92/05/27 GMT (by ANYE93 at OS2CUST) Subject: SCSI Drive not recognized I placed a message in IBM Support on 5/21/92 - still no response, so I will provide a brief summary here. I have a PS/2-70 A21 with a CEI/Cumulus C5640B SCSI adapter and a 100Mb ext. drive which is set up to be recognized at BIOS startup (i.e. no device driver required). When I boot the system from diskette, with both DOS 5.0 and OS/2 2.0 Install Disks, the external drive is recognized (eg. by FDISK). When I boot the system from the c: drive using the installed OS/2 2.0 GA, the drive is not recognized even though it is included in the extended BIOS. When I run FDISKPM, it only recognizes the internal hard drive. Can you tell me what is different between the OS/2 system installed on my hard drive and the OS/2 installation disks that result in this inconsistent result? CEI have stated that they do not believe that this is their problem and have suggested I contact IBM. Can you help me?? Graeme Robinson ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:37:04 on 92/05/27 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: SCSI Drive not recognized Ref: Append at 14:21:51 on 92/05/27 GMT (by ANYE93 at OS2CUST) The reason fdisk might see the unit but OS/2 2.0 not, is that fdisk is a "standalone" program that does not use any OS/2 facilites to access disk units. As to why your particular brand is not recognized by OS/2, this would take considerable more research. Your Problem Report will be responded to and unless some one following these forums has an answer, it is probably the best way to proceed at this point. However, please feel free to call the support number at 1-800-237-5511 if this is something you need resolved immediately. You should get a quicker response on high priority items using the support number. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:05:15 on 92/05/27 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: SCSI Drive not recognized Ref: Append at 14:21:51 on 92/05/27 GMT (by ANYE93 at OS2CUST) Graeme, Do you have the Interupt 13 driver loaded in your config.sys? If not you may want to give it a try. I think it is: BASEDEV=IBMINT13.I13 Mike Long Iowa State University ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 08:49:09 on 92/06/02 GMT (by IL48722 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 13:41:58 on 92/06/03 GMT (by IL48722 at OS2CUST) Subject: HOW TO SUPPORT (maybe) HITACHI CDR-1750S CD-ROM The following worked for me, and allowed me to access my Hitachi CDR-1750S CD-ROM Drive under OS/2 2.0. Please note that there is NO GUARANTEE that this will work for you, and if you try it, you're on your own -- if you break your system, you get to keep both pieces, and I disclaim any responsibility. That taken care of, here's what I did: 1. During install, select installation of both the CDROM IFS and the IBM CD-ROM Drivers. 2. MAKE A BACKUP COPY OF \OS2\CDROM.SYS 3. Use a HEX editor (DEBUG will work in a pinch, I expect) to edit CDROM.SYS. Near the beginning of the module, you'll see the characters "TOSHIBA" followed by "IBM". Modify the "TOSHIBA" to "HITACHI". Save the module. 4. Installation will have added the following line to CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\OS2\CDROM.SYS /Q /I /N:4 The "/I" appears to limit the driver to IBM-only support. It should be removed. The "/Q" suppresses installation messages. I left mine off so I could see CDROM.SYS start. My command line now looks like: DEVICE=C:\CDROM.SYS /N:4 5. Shutdown and reboot OS/2. The CD-ROM should be operational. This is only liable to work for SCSI-attached CD-ROM drives. I have no idea if it will work on other manufacturers' drives, or, indeed, if I'll run into problems later on (though BookManager READ/2 appears to run very well indeed against the files on the CD-ROM). NOTE ADDED: I've found that the "Audio Play" functions do NOT work using this "hack and slash" driver (which, in fact, I did not really expect to work). On the other hand, the CD-ROM seems to work flawlessly for normal data use. Bob Beilstein, Manugistics, Inc. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:26:47 on 92/06/04 GMT (by LDOL001 at OS2CUST) Subject: ANOTHER HITACHI CDROM PROBLEM THERE APPEARS TO BE MANY CD-ROM PROBLEMS, WELL HERE IS ANOTHER. I HAVE USED OS/2 EE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THE LATEST VERSION 1.3, UNTIL MY 2.0 GA ARRIVED. I HAVE A HITACHI CDR-1700S CD-ROM THAT I USE PREDOMINATELY FOR 'COMPUTER SELECT' SERVICE AND IBM SOFTCOPY BOOKSHELVES UNDER BOOKMANGER/READ. I HAD OS/2 1.3 CONFIGURED IN DUAL BOOT MODE BECAUSE 'COMPUTER SELECT' DID NOT HAVE AN OS/2 DRIVER OR PROGRAM FOR THE CDR-1700S. 'COMPUTER SELECT' AND BOOKMANAGER/DOS WORKED WITH NO PROBLEM UNDER DUAL BOOT FOR DOS VERSIONS 3.3, 4.0, 4.01 AND WITH SETVER UNDER VERSION 5.0. THE TROUBLE BEGAN WHEN I DECIDED TO MOVE MY PRODUCTION BOX OVER TO OS/2 VERSION 2. I THOUGHT THAT I COULD HAVE A VDM SESSION WITH MY DOS DEVICE DRIVER AND NOT TO HAVE DOS ON THE MACHINE AT ALL. NOT SO.... 1) THE HITACHI DEVICE DRIVER LOADED JUST FINE, BUT VERSION 2.11 OF THE MICROSOFT CDROM EXTENSIONS KEPT GIVING ME INCORRECT DOS VERSION. 2) I THEN ADDED MSCDEX.EXE FOR DOS VERSION 3.30 UNDER THE DOS_VERSION SETTING OF THE DOS SESSION, AGAIN NO LUCK. 3) I THEN SET UP A 3.3 BOOTABLE DISKETTE WITH HITACHI DRIVER, MSCDEX.EXE AND ALL OTHER NECESSARY FILES, INCLUDING 'FSFILTER'. WHEN I DO A STANDARD BOOT FROM THE DOS 3.3 DISKETTE, WORKS JUST FINE. WHEN I THEN BOOT A DOS SESSION FROM THE A DRIVE PROMPT UNDER OS/2, THE HITACHI DRIVER LOADS JUST FINE, OR SO IT SAYS. MSCDEX.EXE APPEARS TO LOAD FINE, BUT THEN MANY PROBLEMS OCCUR. SYS3176, DIVIDE OVERFLOW, NO FILES LISTED ON DIRECTORY OF CD, DRIVE NOT READY, ABORT, RETRY, FAIL, AND MANY OTHER PROBLEMS NOT REMEMBERED. 4) BOOKMANAGER ALSO GAVE ME VERY FUNNY RESULTS, SOMETIMES IT COULD NOT FIND FILES, WHEN IT DID, IT SAID THEY WERE INVALID AND SO ON. 5) I EVEN CALLED MICROSOFT, TO MY DISGUST, AND DOWNLOADED THE NEWEST VERSION OF MSCDEX.EXE. WORKED JUST FINE WHEN BOOTING FROM DISKETTE NATIVELY, BUT UNDER OS/2 STILL THE SAME PROBLEMS. 6) WAS TOLD THAT NEW VERSION OF MSCDEX.EXE DOS NOT LOOK FOR DOS VERSION, THEREFORE COULD TRY IT UNDER VDM, NOPE, STILL RECEIVED INCORRECT DOS VERSION MESSAGE. CHANGING DOS_VERSION UNDER DOS SETTING DID NOT WORK AGAIN EITHER. HELP, I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING TO GO BACK TO OS/2 1.3 EE EVEN THOUGH IT DID WORK EXTREMELY WELL. DUAL BOOT IS A PAIN. I AM AVAILABLE TO TRY ANY IDEAS SHORT OF THROWING HITACHI DRIVE OUT AND STARTING OVER..... NOTE: USING IBM PS/2 MODEL 80-A31 WITH 16 MEG MEMORY/320 SCSI DRIVE HITACHI ONLY NON-BLUE MIKE FRIEDKIN LA. DEPT. OF LABOR (504) 342-3219 MICHAEL FRIEDKIN- LA. DEPT OF LABOR ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:10:47 on 92/06/04 GMT (by SYKES at ATLSER) -- Subject: HITACHI EXTERNAL CDROM DRIVE MODEL 1503 Ref: Append at 11:45:58 on 92/05/19 GMT (by IL29399 at OS2CUST) You are going to need an OS/2 driver to really use it. If you boot a DOS image in a VDM your DOS driver may work for that specific VDM. Your best bet for a OS/2 driver is Corel or Columbia Data Products. Bill Sykes Atlanta Regional Contracting Center Bill@sykes.pm.atlanta.ibm.com From: SYKES at ATLSER ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:17:58 on 92/06/04 GMT (by SYKES at ATLSER) -- Subject: New drivers for Adaptec 154X, OS2TAPE or PMTAPE Ref: Append at 01:12:57 on 92/05/23 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) The IBM BBS in Atlanta (404-835-6600) has a new IBM1FLPY.ADD file that is supposed to fix the PMTAPE problems. It may be on CIS also. Bill Sykes Atlanta Regional Contracting Center Bill@sykes.pm.atlanta.ibm.com From: SYKES at ATLSER ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:56:05 on 92/06/05 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: ANOTHER HITACHI CDROM PROBLEM Ref: Append at 13:26:47 on 92/06/04 GMT (by LDOL001 at OS2CUST) Mike, First, the DOS "version" used in a VDM cannot be set. I've been told it is a DOS 3.3 emulation. From all of the problems that have been reported with DOS drivers, running DOS drivers in a VDM seems to be a 50/50 proposition. Some that try to execute protected instructions will not work in a VDM. OS/2 will not allow any program to execute these unless they are loaded as a "true" driver in CONFIG.SYS. You can get some misleading error messages though when this happens. Second, the MS MSCDEX CDROM driver is causing a lot of grief in the OS/2 2.0 world. The problems with this Windows driver were reported to development soon after 2.0 was available. The APAR's are PJ03358, PJ03365, PJ03540, PJ03983. There is a IBM CDROM driver for OS/2 2.0 that should work fine and has the basic operations expected for disk access. The problem is that MSCDEX has some "special" extensions that some applications have made use of. MSCDEX will not work with 2.0. The IBM CDROM driver for 2.0 does not have the "specials" and when development looked into providing an emulation they found out they could not without violating MS copyrights. Thus the no win situation. Many customers are unhappy with this but there is nothing IBM can do. Reports from customers are that MS refuses to assist. Applications could be changed to use the "basics" provided by the IBM driver and then would be compatible with both. But there has been a lot of resistance to this approach. Also, if you are only a user of one of these applications, there really isn't much you can do. Stay tuned. There is sure to be more on this coming. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:58:02 on 92/06/05 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: New drivers for Adaptec 154X, OS2TAPE or PMTAPE Ref: Append at 21:17:58 on 92/06/04 GMT (by SYKES at ATLSER) These drivers have been available for download in the Software Library of this OS/2 BBS. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:29:06 on 92/06/08 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: Direction for CD-ROM support(SONY, NEC, etc.)? What is IBM's direction on support for SONY and NEC CD-ROM drives? Thanks, Jim Salt River Project IBMMAIL(USSRPQ8N) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:24:49 on 92/06/09 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: Direction for CD-ROM support(SONY, NEC, etc.)? Ref: Append at 22:29:06 on 92/06/08 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) I did some research before answering, but I'm afraid that you are not going to like the answer. The "official" position at this time is that these devices are not supported under OS/2 2.0 except under "virtual" boot DOS and dual boot DOS. Other people have been told to contact the manufacturer and encourage them to provide an OS/2 driver. The word back from a few customers has been that SONY is considering it, NEC's position is no OS/2 driver. I did see some "unofficial" notes about the OEM development group trying to get cooperation from these companies and others in order to provide more driver support before the end of 1992. But this is very "iffy" and will depend on the cooperation of the manufacturers. If you are dependent upon the MicroSoft MSCDEX driver the situation gets even more complicated. Please refer to earlier appends on this in this forum. It appears that for the forseeable future MSCDEX will be strictly DOS unless MS does something to make it 2.0 compatible. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:45:19 on 92/06/09 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) Subject: 128MB Rewritable Boot Device Ref: Append at 21:18:47 on 92/05/08 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) To the best of my knowledge, you can't boot from a R/W Optical but you CAN install OS/2 and Extended Services from it using the redirected install function (still requires two diskettes). I also believe that future CSD's will support redirected installation as well. This doesn't make it as easy as just a bootable R/W disk, but it is a little better. Brent Allen - IBM OS/2 Base Services Support ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:00:46 on 92/06/10 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: Direction for CD-ROM support(SONY, NEC, etc.)? Ref: Append at 13:24:49 on 92/06/09 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Stephen, I would think IBM could encourage SONY and NEC to cooporate with a valued added incentive. My 3rd party adapter is Future Domain and IBM is shipping drivers for this card(IBM and TOSHIBA CD-ROM Drives.) Do you know if I can go out and buy some kind of Adapter Card like CorelSCSI to get my SONY CDU-541 CD-ROM working in OS/2? Thanks for your help, Jim Salt River Project IBMMAIL(USSRPQ8N) (602) 236-3547 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:02:23 on 92/06/12 GMT (by IL48722 at OS2CUST) Subject: Direction for CD-ROM support(SONY, NEC, etc.)? Ref: Append at 15:00:46 on 92/06/10 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) No guarantees, but you might try patching a copy of the IBM/TOSHIBA CDROM.SYS driver. Change the "TOSHIBA" string inside to the first 7 characters of your SONY CD-ROM ident string (this should be printed by your Future Domain SCSI host at boot time). It will PROBABLY be "SONY CD", but you should check to be sure. After patching the driver, remove the "/I" from the DEVICE= call in CONFIG.SYS and see what happens. This works just fine on my HITACHI CDR-1750S CD-ROM drive, and has allowed me to use the drive with BookManager READ/2, etc. It'll likely not work if you need music or multimedia, but to use as a data drive, it just might do the trick. Bob Beilstein, Manugistics, Inc. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:03:23 on 92/06/18 GMT (by SRPIE05 at OS2CUST) Subject: Will OS/2 support a QVision 1024/EISA video card? Will OS/2 2.0 support a QVision 1024/EISA video card? Thane - ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:26:18 on 92/06/18 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Subject: Will OS/2 support a QVision 1024/EISA video card? Ref: Append at 19:03:23 on 92/06/18 GMT (by SRPIE05 at OS2CUST) For the most part, OS2 2.0 supports video standards (or doesn't support them as the case may be) rather than particular video cards. Probably you are really asking about SVGA (a fuzzy standard) at some particular resolution and, if so, the answer is probably NO, at least from IBM. You should contact your board manufacturer for an SVGA driver for your board. The standards currently supported by OS2 2.0 are EGA, VGA, 8514/A and XGA. The ATI Ultra card, for instance, is supported at higher than VGA resolution because it has a mode hardware compatible with the 8514/A and can run directly under the 8514/A driver. Jerry Case, TEAMOS2, Bethesda, MD ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 07:24:32 on 92/06/19 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Subject: Will OS/2 support a QVision 1024/EISA video card? Ref: Append at 21:26:18 on 92/06/18 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Just to complete the list in the previous append, IBM also supports Image Adapter/A under OS/2 2.0 giving screen resolutions between 640x480 and 1280x1024 on 85xx displays and 6091 with 2 - 256 colours. Dave Wilson, ACP Multimedia Comms, Hursley ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:23:48 on 92/06/22 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Will OS/2 support a QVision 1024/EISA video card? Ref: Append at 07:24:32 on 92/06/19 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Dave - will IBM's new Multi-Media card work in a mod 70-486? Will it provide sound as well as motion-video, using a VGA monitor, and the source being CDROM attached to an external amp and speakers? And will it all work under OS2? Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 07:51:30 on 92/06/23 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 08:07:10 on 92/06/23 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Subject: ActionMedia II Ref: Append at 18:23:48 on 92/06/22 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Elliott, By "IBM's new Multimedia" card, I presume you mean ActionMedia II, developed jointly between IBM and Intel ? If so, the card will run fine in 486 PS/2s though I have not actually seen a 70-486 so can't be completely positive about this box. The card uses Digital Video Interactive (DVI) technology to capture and display real time video/audio and can be used with VGA or XGA systems. Various audio algorithms are supported up to CD rates and quality and video in either RTV (Real Time Video) or PLV (Professional Level Video - an asymmetric compression/decompression algorithm where the video is compressed off-line but which gives far higher image quality than RTV) can be played from hard disk or CD-ROM. Still image support with JPEG compression/decompression is also provided. Drivers are provided to allow operation under OS/2 1.3. These are not yet supported under 2.0 but my experience suggests that code will run fine in this environment too. Along with the basic device drivers, configuration program and confidence test, there is also an application developer's toolkit available. Despite programming these cards, I can't admit to being a real expert so I'll try to convince some of the gurus from our internal DVI FORUM to provide more information. Hope this is of interest. Dave Wilson, ACP Multimedia Comms, Hursley ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:11:31 on 92/06/24 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 I would like to install a Connor - CP30174E Disk Drive in my IBM PS/2 Model 40 SX Computer. The Model 40 has an AT bus and does have an available bay for this drive. The disk drive is 3.5", 17MS speed, and is 170Meg.. I'm running OS/2 V2.0. I want to run two disks in the PC. The current disk only 80Meg and I need the other drive. Disk allocated as follows: 1 Meg Boot Manager C: 4 Meg DOS 5.0 FAT C: 45 Meg OS/2 V2.0 HPFS D: 27 Meg Logical Drive FAT E: 170 Meg Logical Drive FAT <==== New Drive would be here I'm told that the drive is IDE. Will this work?? Can I use Partition Mgr. to allocate the new drive to E: ? I use this PC at my home - it runs OS/2 pretty well - it has 10 meg of memory and an IBM-8515 monitor. The only problem is that I'm running out of disk space. Thanks for your help.... Walt Kapica Johnson & Johnson ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:27:10 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: ActionMedia II Ref: Append at 07:51:30 on 92/06/23 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Dave - it certainly is of interest. I'll see what I can do to obtain this card, and let you know when I've got it working on this mod 70-486. Thanks. Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 07:56:17 on 92/06/24 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Subject: ActionMedia II Ref: Append at 02:27:10 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) As an extra aside, I forgot to mention that the card won the "Best of Show" award at Fall Comdex last year. Dave Wilson, ACP Multimedia Comms, Hursley ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 10:22:54 on 92/06/24 GMT (by KMORSE at BCRVMPC2) Subject: AM2 in a 70-486 Ref: Append at 18:23:48 on 92/06/22 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Elliot, Yes ActionMedia II will work fine in a 70-486, the only connector it will fit in is the VFB socket though on a 70-486. If you have any specific questions about ActionMedia II and DVI let me know. Cheers, Ken Dr Ken Morse Advanced DVI Development - Boca Raton ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:56:21 on 92/06/24 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 01:11:31 on 92/06/24 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) If you jumper your Connor hardfile to be an IDE "slave" it should work. Make sure that you have all necessary mounting rails etc. The first partition on the second file will be accessed as the D-drive and your current D will become E. Tom Adamson Product Safety, Greenock. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:24:43 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Detailed hardware list. It is nice that the IBM Lab tests clone PC-s for compatibility, but most of us has a more mixed environment. I'd like to see a list of hardware supported in categories, and by contact. Like Sound Board: M Audio capture and ... Vendor:IBM Native OS2 support available: NOW Drivers provided by:IBM .... SounBlaster Pro: Vendor: OS2 Support,MVDM support,drivers from, Some of the drivers are provided by IBM, some vendors . Same with the SCSI cards, with the Harddisks, video adapters,... This list would help us to promote some vendors and we will not get stuck with unsupported (out of date) hardware. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:50:13 on 92/06/24 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 16:24:43 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Geza, That is the best suggestion I have heard on this bbs since it has started!! Examples I would like to see are: CD-ROMS LIST: TYPE Compatible Vendor Phone Future Support ------- ---------- ------------- -------------- TOSHIBA/IBM Yes 1-800-???-???? N/A SONY No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter? NEC No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter? HITACHI No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter? Video Boards: TYPE Compatible Vendor Phone Future Support ------- ---------- ------------- -------------- Orchid No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter Seamless? ATI Ultra No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter Seamless? ATI SVGA No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter Seamless? Paradise No 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter Seamless? Sound Boards: TYPE Compatible Vendor Phone Future Support ------- ---------- ------------- -------------- Sound Blaster No? 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter? Sound Blaster Pro No? 1-800-???-???? 3rd Quarter? Hopefully, this addition will help Geza! Everybody else, please vent your frustration on this and maybe IBM will listen! Jim McGuffin IBMMAIL(USSRPQ8N) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:18:27 on 92/06/24 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) - Subject: ANOTHER HITACHI CDROM PROBLEM Ref: Append at 13:56:05 on 92/06/05 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) > The problem is that MSCDEX has some "special" extensions that >some applications have made use of. MSCDEX will not work with 2.0. The >IBM CDROM driver for 2.0 does not have the "specials" and when >development looked into providing an emulation they found out they >could not without violating MS copyrights. Thus the no win situation. >Many customers are unhappy with this but there is nothing IBM can do. >Reports from customers are that MS refuses to assist. Microsoft is telling us that they had an uncompleted version of MSCDEX that they handed over to you and that there is NO functionality missing from your version. So who is right? Matt Hickman, Chevron ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:43:18 on 92/06/24 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 19:50:13 on 92/06/24 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) While I realize that your format was just for example, the fact that you listed the ATI Ultra video card with compatibility 'NO' leads me to ask a couple of questions: 1. How is 'compatibility' defined? For example, does it mean 'totally compatible' which implies that all OS2 functions work right out of the box or does it mean 'operates in modes x, y and z' or even 'operates just like it does in DOS or WINDOWS'? Gives rise to different answers sometimes. 2. The ATI Ultra has a hardware mode believed to be fully compatible with the 8514/A sold by IBM. Therefore, any supplied OS2 8514/A driver should run fine with the ATI Ultra. (Note that this is ME speaking, not IBM; in other words, this is done by ATI not by IBM). Does this not make the Ultra 'compatible' with OS2? Just wanted to make sure that the 'example' was not taken literally. Regards, Jerry Case, TEAMOS2, Bethesda, MD ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:00:23 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 20:43:18 on 92/06/24 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) 1.\ Compatible with 8514A Yes; Fully compatible (All video modes) No : Contact with vendor. It's not related to ATI but: if you purchase an expensive (>1000$) video card and you realize that it is compatible only in VGA (640x480x4) mode instaed 1280x1024x24bit mode,you'll be upset. (see TIGA). Related to other hardware: Compatible with 1:Booted DOS 2:MVDM (ONE (limited) instance) 3:MVDM(unlimited instance) 4:Limited OS/2 support (like tape system) 5: Fully integrated to WPS (Network drive over TR). Than I can decide what to buy. Most of our clones are just a collection of hardware components. When I'm ordering from a mail- order company I can specify to replace Brandxxx VGA with BrandYYY. Same with the harddrives, all (but compaq) 200M IDE drive costs the same, but to install and use OS/2 it cam make a big difference. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:14:25 on 92/06/25 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 11:56:21 on 92/06/24 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) Thanks for answering my query. I don't understand why the new drive will become D? I currently only have a single disk (80 meg) and it's partitioned with drive D being the last drive. Wouldn't the new drive then start with E? Both drives will work under OS/2 together, right? I thought I could keep everything the way it was, just format the new drive as a 170 meg E drive. Am I missing something? Thanks again for your help. Regards... Walt Walt Kapica Johnson & Johnson ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:27:57 on 92/06/25 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 20:43:18 on 92/06/24 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Jerry, Yes I realize the ATI Ultra is supported. This was indeed just an example. Do you agree thought that a list of such nature should be designed and put out for public viewing! Jim ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 12:16:19 on 92/06/26 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 21:14:25 on 92/06/25 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) It's just the way operating systems choose to work (old DOS legacy). A: First diskette drive B: Second diskette drive (or alias for first) C: First partition on first disk D: First partition on second disk (or second on single hardfile) D: First partition on third disk (or second on first disk of two) E: First partition on fourth disk (or second on first of three or third on first of two etc..) The algorithm allocates a letter to the first partition of each disk present, then to all remaining partitions on the first disk, then all remaining partitions on the third etc... It's relatively simple until you have lots of disks, tapes, CD-ROMs etc.. I personally gave up about two years ago and only partition hardfiles if it's absolutely necessary. Tom Adamson Product Safety, Greenock. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:45:02 on 92/06/26 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 23:27:57 on 92/06/25 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) I appreciate the reasons for desiring a list of this type. Personally, I would find such a list useful. However, even ignoring issues of available money and resources, there are a lot of problems in the compilation of a list of this type. One of the most difficult relates to environmental conditions - i.e. board 'x' will work in George's system but not in Sam's. I don't know what IBM's plans are in this area but at least some movement can be discerned in recent announcements concerning Adaptec and Future Domain SCSI controllers. Sorry that I can't be more immediately positive on this issue but I assume that, over time, additional focus will come to this area both from IBM and from OEMs. The biggest problem at the moment is in developing OS2 as a big enough market to compel OEMs to provide OS2 support for their hardware. For the moment, I suggest that applicable hardware experience and questions be placed in this forum for reference and for possible use in later compilation of the desired list. Jerry Case, TEAMOS2, Bethesda, MD ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:15:52 on 92/06/26 GMT (by VEND391 at BLDVM1) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 21:14:25 on 92/06/25 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) If you make ALL of the partitions on the second physical drive logical partitions, the labels will be assigned the way you want. If there is a primary partition on the 2nd drive, it will be D: and the second partition on the 1st physical drive will be renamed to E:. (If you tell FDISK to make your second drive all logical, it will create a 1 Meg primary partition for bookkeeping that is not assigned a letter... nothing to worry about, just be aware that your usable Extended space is 1 Meg smaller than if you make a working primary partition on the drive.) Elyse M. Grasso Dept:G82 SN:5063 Div:ASD Ext:5 - 0436 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:16:02 on 92/06/27 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 21:00:23 on 92/06/24 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Geza, I too like your idea, however there is a question I have. You may recall in early EEP days I was asking questions about using an HP ScanJet Plus with OS2. With each EEP drop, I still couldn't get it to work. When GA came along I still couldn't get it to work. I spent $$$ on long distance to HP tech support in the US, and what I was told 1) that I needed an OS2 driver - they didn't have one and had no intention of issuing one; 2) the HP software only works under M$ Windows and won't work in OS2WIN. With a few interchanges on this IConf with others, I was able to "tweak" some addressing, and now this non IBM and non OS2 hardware and software works seamlessly from the OS2 WPS desktop! My question is - if the manufacturer of a hardware component gives out misinformation, is it your expection that IBM should confirm or deny what other manufacturers say about their products? It seems to me that if IBM would assign someone to monitor these IConf, and extract hardware success stories (and there are many sprinkled in almost all of the fora) and put these in a separate file, that had consistent and meaningful subject headings, then we might have a begining of the list you want. What do you think? Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 05:53:37 on 92/06/29 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Detailed hardware list. Ref: Append at 01:16:02 on 92/06/27 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Well, This is the list what we should have posted here. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:13:39 on 92/06/30 GMT (by SHABBY at RCHVMP) - Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 12:16:19 on 92/06/26 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) That's wrong. The way the partitioning works, as I understand it is as follows: A,B: Floppies then they go in the order of all primary partitions on the first hard drive, all primary partitions on the second hard drive, ... then it goes to all logical partitions on the first hard drive, all the logicals on the second, etc. So if you had two hard drives, the first one set up with a primary and a logical partition, it looks like this: C: primary D: logical Then, if you add a second hard drive with only a primary partition, it'll become this: C: primary 1 D: primary 2 E: logical 1 However, if you add the second hard drive with only one logical partition on it, it'll become this: C: primary 1 D: logical 1 E: logical 2 At least this specific setup is the one on my machine here. -Chris ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 09:20:45 on 92/07/01 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 18:13:39 on 92/06/30 GMT (by SHABBY at RCHVMP) This is correct, I forgot about the primary/secondary thing. :-( Sorry if I mislead anyone. Tom Adamson Product Safety, Greenock. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:48:01 on 92/07/06 GMT (by XXSGIN13 at TORVMCOP) Subject: XGA and no desktop! I have a model 80 A31 with an addon IBM XGA adapter with 1 meg of memory on it. When I installed OS/2 2.0 GA, I installed the display as VGA. I decided to install the XGA option. Following the instructions on how to do this, I inserted the diskettes as requested until a message came back and told me I didn't have enough disk space. I then went out and deleted enough space (1 meg) for the rest. The install seemed to finish, but upon rebooting, display was in VGA mode. I then went thru the install process again. This time everything went fine (I thought) When I reboot tho, I do not get my desktop anymore! I get the splash screens when it loads, but no desktop! Help! Richard Poworski Systems Analyst II SGI ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:17:28 on 92/07/06 GMT (by DHAIGH at RALVM14) Subject: XGA and no desktop! Ref: Append at 14:48:01 on 92/07/06 GMT (by XXSGIN13 at TORVMCOP) Did you happen to move your display cable from the VGA port to the port on the XGA board? It may sound simple, but I switch between XGA, BGA, and VGA on a model 80 and sometimes forget to move the cable resulting in what you see. All initialization is done in VGA until OS/2 loads DISPLAY.DLL which then it will use the XGA. Doug Haigh ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:47:03 on 92/07/09 GMT (by XXSGIN13 at TORVMCOP) Subject: XGA and no desktop! Ref: Append at 16:17:28 on 92/07/06 GMT (by DHAIGH at RALVM14) Thanks for the suggestion, but yes I had moved the cable. Because I absolutely needed to get my workstation back up and running ( I am the LAN Administrator here), I ended up doing a restore from my backups. It seems that what happened is that my desktop got deleted for some reason when I was installing the XGA drivers. Someone here suggested that it could have happened when the desktop was being converted to XGA? Anyway, the problem seems to stem from the lack of hard disk space on my C: drive. What a pain. I lost about 1 days work and spent 2 days recovering. If it wasn't for my doing semi-regular backups and using a utility called WPSbkup (from Compuserve) I would have been 1/2 year behind, then my boss would definitely be upset. Its too bad that this happened, but it did. A wish for the next release of os/2 would be that you could put the desktop anywhere you want! Richard Poworski Systems Analyst II SGI ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:43:45 on 92/07/10 GMT (by MTRA165 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sony CD-ROM CDU535...HELP!! I have a Sony CDU535 drive and all I want to do is use it as a data drive. I can't access it through OS/2 now but I read from another conversation in this forum that another Sony model could be made to work by patching the CDROM.SYS driver. Great news...can it work for mine too? I would GREATLY appreciate any help or advice anyone could give me. I'm not a bit-flipper so if I have to PATCH the driver I'm afraid I will need fairly specific instructions. David Dulfer, Motorola Inc. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:43:18 on 92/07/11 GMT (by IL71572 at OS2CUST) Subject: Backup drive/software for OS2 At work I use SYTOS for OS/2. I have a new PC at home and want to buy a tape backup system. Is SYTOS the only backup software available for OS2 that backs up ALL files? I don't want to spend a bundle, but do want something to meet my measley 130mg hard drive needs. Any suggestions are welcome!! Connie Peabody ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:54:14 on 92/07/11 GMT (by Z77JAC at BETASVM2) Subject: Backup drive/software for OS2 Ref: Append at 15:43:18 on 92/07/11 GMT (by IL71572 at OS2CUST) Connie - Although it is not officially supported, as far as I know, on non-PS/2s, there is a program available from IBM called PMTAPE which is intended to support the IBM internal tape backup unit. I have seen reports that this program functions properly with certain non-IBM drives, notably the IRWIN accutrak. This is not an endorsement, since I have not personally used PMTAPE or the IRWIN drive but you may want to ask your SE for further information. I can come up with some Ivory numbers if necessary. Regards, Jerry Case, TEAMOS2, Bethesda, MD ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:55:20 on 92/07/11 GMT (by CONT06 at LEXVMK) - ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 19:14:58 on 92/07/11 GMT (by CONT06 at LEXVMK) . Subject: Backup drive/software for OS2 Ref: Append at 15:43:18 on 92/07/11 GMT (by IL71572 at OS2CUST) I don't know about Tape device you are talking. I know that Irvin's tape backup with EzTape for PM works and works good for all files, including HPFS and Extended Attributes. Many other manufacturers are working on OS/2 (including 2.0) compatibility. Some more competition (and price fall) can be expected in fall, I think. If you can - wait, I do. Leshek J. Fiedorowicz - Team OS/2 Lexington 1992/07/11 14:51 Fido (1:2370/12) JRFB70A@*P ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:55:10 on 92/07/14 GMT (by ELFPCS2 at OS2CUST) Subject: FDC-344 UNIQUE FDCFloppy Disk Controller support I have a four Floppy controller card named FDC-344 from an outfit called UNIQUE. I was unable to install OS/2 2.0 with my floppies attached to this card. We would never get past the first diskette. As a circumvention, I connected two of my three floppies directly to my AMI motherboard ans was able to complete the installaton of OS/2. Is there any drivers to support this card? Gene Soo (713)853-7296 Gene Soo ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:59:01 on 92/07/14 GMT (by ELFPCS2 at OS2CUST) Subject: Kraft TOPTRAK Trackball support I have a KRAFT TOPTRAK Trackball. It is a serial port attached device. When I replace a Z-NIX(Microsof Compatible) Serial Mouse with the trackball, it is very difficult to get the cursor to move up or to the left. Is there any device drivers to support this device. Gene Soo (713)853-7296 Gene Soo ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:43:24 on 92/07/17 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Subject: Sony CD-ROM CDU535...HELP!! Ref: Append at 15:43:45 on 92/07/10 GMT (by MTRA165 at OS2CUST) I have a SONY CD that is working fine. The process is not supported by IBM. 1) Install the CD support on the Selective Install screen. 2) I have a ADAPTEC SCSI card that is supported by OS2. Look for the BASEDEV=AHA154X.ADD for the 1542 card in your CONFIG.SYS, if it is there (or one like it) you are OK here. 3) Make sure the following were added to your CONFIG.SYS by the install: IFS=D:\OS2\CDFS.IFS /Q DEVICE=D:\OS2\CDROM.SYS /Q /I /N:4 DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\VCDROM.SYS 4) Reboot and give it a try. The /I parm is the key. This tells the driver not to look at the device manufacturer info. Please get on the phone and abuse SONY, as they must add the support to ensure we will continue to have our CD access thru OS2. Good Luck! Ken Wohlferd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:11:06 on 92/07/24 GMT (by ZSAM1 at OS2CUST) - Subject: Installing 2.0 on Compaq ---------------------------------------------------- Level 5 of 5 Panel 1 of 1 Will os/2 2.0 install on compaq deskpro i/33 with no problems or special install procedures? Is SVGA supported in winos2 (windows) with the video board provided in this machine? S. Michalik, Kerr-McGee Corp. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:59:07 on 92/07/30 GMT (by SURS001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Looking for R/W Optical Drive that is supported by OS/2 I see a lot of info out here on CD-ROM's. But I'm looking for a Read/Write CD drive that OS/2 supports. Does anyone know of where I might be able to find one. Byron Campbell State Universities Retirement System ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:24:20 on 92/07/30 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Looking for R/W Optical Drive that is supported by OS/2 Ref: Append at 15:59:07 on 92/07/30 GMT (by SURS001 at OS2CUST) IBM has a 3.5" R/W SCSI 127MB drive. Street price is as low as $950. It goes straight into any PS/2 with a SCSI adapter and an empty front bay. You have a choice of two media, 127MB read-write and 120MB read-only. The format, at least of the read-write (I don't know about the read-only) is non-proprietary. John Kennedy -- Hoechst Celanese, Bridgewater, NJ ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:53:11 on 92/07/31 GMT (by PRCI041 at OS2CUST) Subject: Installing 2.0 on Compaq Ref: Append at 22:11:06 on 92/07/24 GMT (by ZSAM1 at OS2CUST) - We have 2.0 running on a variety of Compaq's, including the 386/33L, 20e, SLT, and SystemPros. No special installs were required. I haven't tried SVGA support on any of these machines. The install defaults to VGA on all so far. Mark Polly - Progressive Insurance ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:01:35 on 92/07/31 GMT (by SURS001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Looking for R/W Optical Drive that is supported by OS/2 Ref: Append at 16:24:20 on 92/07/30 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) I should have stated that I'm looking for a drive larger than the 128 mb. The drive s/b 650 mb - 1 gb in size. Byron Campbell State Universities Retirement System ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:27:38 on 92/08/03 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM I have been on several OS2 BBS and EVERY ONE contains HUNDREDS of items on CDROM support. If you judge by volume, this seems to be the number one problem people are having with OS/2. The items I have seen from IBM generally say, contact your CD vendor. Unfortunately, we tend to judge the software by what it can do. DOS/Windows has this support, and OS/2 does not. I hope someone at IBM is getting the hint. How about some words from IBM on the subject? Ken Wohlferd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:33:08 on 92/08/03 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 15:27:38 on 92/08/03 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Ken, Dos/Windows has the support because folks asked the venders for it. OS/2 will never have the same support if the same thing isn't done. Hope some of the users out there are listening. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:36:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 15:27:38 on 92/08/03 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Ken, I just ordered Windows 3.1, because I cannot use my Sony CDU-541 CD-ROM under OS/2 2.0. I returned my OS/2 for a full refund. I tried using CorelDRAW with OS/2 and found it very frustrating to BOOT DOS to bring in Clipart from CD-ROM. I am not going to my vendor to complain about this! IBM should do this for the customer! Jim "I'll try it again in OS/2 2.1, maybe!?" McGuffin ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:01:08 on 92/08/04 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE86) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 22:36:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Jim, Wrong attitude, if others hadn't been willing to go to the venders and say what they wanted you wouldn't even be running it with windows. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:17:56 on 92/08/04 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Does anyboady know of inexpensive processor upgrades for an aging PS/2 80-071? I've checked into the AOX upgrades, but they are just to expensive -- for what they want, I might as well just buy a new Gateway or something.... With OS/2 2.0, the HP of the CPU does make alot of difference... The rest of the machine (and probably alot of others) is fine, plenty of RAM and disk space, just the CPU is a little slow by today's standards. Doesn't anyone have a CPU replacement (like the 386sx replacement for the 286 CPU's -- $400). Is this an untapped market?? Paul Kurr -- Stockholder Systems, Norcross GA ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:19:36 on 92/08/04 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 15:17:56 on 92/08/04 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Paul: You're in luck. There is a company, Sigma Data, that sells a CPU 486-33Mhz plug-in that will double to quadruple (depending on how you look at it) your processing power. This requires no slot as you replace your 386 chip with it. Irv Spalten from IBM Boca has been gushing quite eloquently regarding it as he has one and has been installing them all over the place. It also runs OS/2 very well. I, too, have been looking into it but have decided to get a new machine instead as I need more disk space and better graphics as well as more computing power. Contact: Elizabethann Diekmann Sigma Data (800) 446-4525 Cost: $995 Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd P.S. If you wondering why this is cheaper and slower than AOX this option only replaces the CPU and not the memory subsystem as does AOX. Thus, bus and memory accesses are at the original machine speed. P.P.S. It comes with an empty Overdrive socket so that you can give yourself another speed boost by plugging in a 66DX2 when they become available (get a heat sink!) P.P.P.S One "perculiarity" that Irv noticed is that when you install it you should re-run your reference disk to tell the machine that you now have a math co-processor -- remember it's built into the 486! The install docs were not too clear on this. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:52:25 on 92/08/04 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 15:17:56 on 92/08/04 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Not untapped at all! I have an upgrade on a Mod 70 - 121 (20 MHZ) to a 486/33 MHZ, and it WORKS WONDERS! Call Sigma Data, 1-800-446-4525, ask for Pete Kuzinski. I am NOT sure that ALL systems are available right now, some were scheduled to roll out over a period of time. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:37:11 on 92/08/04 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) Subject: Disk Drive for IBM PS/2 Model 40 Ref: Append at 09:20:45 on 92/07/01 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that helped with info on how to set up a 2nd disk drive. I purchased a Maxtor 85 Meg hard drive (the drive recommeded for my PC), and installed it as suggested - I made it a slave to DISK 1. Then I used FDISK to partition the new disk as follows: 1 Meg Primary Partition (no name) 82 Meg Logical Drive E Everything works great!! Thanks for all the help!! Walt Kapica Johnson & Johnson Walt Kapica Johnson & Johnson ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:47:29 on 92/08/04 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 22:36:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Had you tried using your CD-ROM drivers in a DOS VDM (or WINOS2)? Or under a booted DOS session? It may not be as convenient as native OS/2 access, but it is usually easier than booting to DOS. It is a matter of priority (and limited resources). Should we concentrate on CD-ROM drive support, or on hard drive support (or video cards)? And how much extra are you willing to spend for device drivers you don't need? DOS doesn't come with any CD-ROM drivers. They were written by the CD-ROM manufacturers. IBM's CD-ROM drives come with OS/2 support. This support is provided with the hardware, not the operating system. Nathan Davis ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:19:25 on 92/08/05 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 21:47:29 on 92/08/04 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Tell you what, just get MSCDEX working with DOS under OS/2, and I will quit complaining (for now). Most of the programs I am running that access the CD are DOS anyway. I realize this means getting M$ to make some changes that will make OS/2 look better, but I can't solve all of your problems...... Ken Wohlferd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 12:28:33 on 92/08/05 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 17:52:25 on 92/08/04 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) I also installed sigma's processor upgrade in my PS/2 80-111, but did not see the improvement I expected. I have 16M of memory, 4M on mother board and 12M on two memory adaptors, and two 160M SCSI drives with cached SCSI adapter. OS/2 is faster but no way is it 2-3 times faster. Sigma felt it may be a problem with my 160M scsi and I need an updated reference diskette, however I am running with the latest from PCPROD. The REFDSK forum mentions a reference disk 1.2 which comes with the SCSI card but I did not receive it with my card. Does anyone have this disk or heard of IBM's SCSI slowing down system performance? ===================================================================== David K. Johnson )( VNET: FSHVMX(JOHNSOND) Specials Products () IBMIPNET: davidj@arrakis.fishkill.ibm.com TP East Fishkill, NY )( voice: (914) 892-2979 (tie 532) Dept O2C Zip 33D () fax: (914) 892-6300 (tie 532) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:05:14 on 92/08/05 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 12:28:33 on 92/08/05 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) There was a problem with the Interleave on the early 160's that made them appear SLOW. A later reference diskette fixed that. Let me add a few words about system upgrades (for what it is worth). I am no expert, but I have had plenty of experience. First, I have the PC Mag's Benchmark 6.0 for a reference point. Secondly, I have two system side by side for comparison. The two system I upgraded was a 50Z that initially had a 20 MHZ 386SX put into it and then upgraded to a 25 and 33 MHZ. The other was the 20 MHZ Mod 70 that was upgraded to a 486 33 MHZ. System performance is a CHAIN! Eventually, you will only be limited by the weakest link in that chain. No matter HOW FAST you make other components, you will be restricted by that link. It could be the bus speed, disk access speed, processor speed, display speed, memory speed, or your typing speed. My Benchmark testing showed that in ALL cases, ONLY processor operations were speed up, which I had expected. Visual indications were another story altogether. On the 50Z, the switch from 20 to 25, compared to the Mod 70 running at 20 MHZ was clear. The 50Z was slower that the Mod 70 when BOTH we running 20 MHZ (both have the same display and disk), and this was clearly due to the 16 versus 32 bit memory path. When running DOS, both ran about the same, but when Expanded memory or OS/2 was run, the 50Z was slightly slower. Moving the 50Z to 25 MHZ under DOS it was again CLEARLY faster that the 70, but using more memory made it only marginally faster... Upping the system to 33 MHZ did make is faster, but I have no overall way of measuring it, but I do NOT think it is 1/3 faster overall, but the processor speed did indeed get 1/3 faster in the tests. Upgrading the 70 to a 486/33 was blinding and quite clear that I had a significant improvement in speed, but as shown by the BENCHMARK, I was in no way improving my disk access. As an aside, I was given a DOS on upgrade for my 50Z's disk to an 11 MS drive, from the 28 MS one. I noticed another leap forward in DOS speed, and this was again proven by BENCKMARK. My BIGGEST deterrent now is the VGA display and my disk speed. In somecases the upgrades will be just what the doctor ordered, in others it might not be as apparent. Caveat Emptor. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:31:42 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 13:05:14 on 92/08/05 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Okay, with all this said about the upgrade, the question that still lingers is: Is the upgrade from a 16mhz PS/2 model 80 to the 486-33 (cpu upgrade) worth it for OS/2? ...or should I (and others like me) focus on a new machine? Paul Kurr -- Stockholder Systems, Norcross GA ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:35:10 on 92/08/05 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 13:05:14 on 92/08/05 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) Irv, you mentioned a reference disk which fixed a problem with 160M scsi's, do you know how I can get this disk or how I can tell if my drives require this fix? Thanks ===================================================================== David K. Johnson )( VNET: FSHVMX(JOHNSOND) Specials Products () IBMIPNET: davidj@arrakis.fishkill.ibm.com TP East Fishkill, NY )( voice: (914) 892-2979 (tie 532) Dept O2C Zip 33D () fax: (914) 892-6300 (tie 532) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:03:57 on 92/08/05 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 13:31:42 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) I wish I had a real answer for you. This is PERSONAL CHOICE, and you better look at your pocketbook too. Are there other parts to 'replace' in the equation? With what? How much? What is the old machines resale value? What is you time worth to backup and restore? Bottom line, with an upgrade, in 10 minutes you are running faster... Open the case, remove processor, pop in the credit card sized upgrade, run reference diskette, and boot the system. What are you doing? Do you NEED something faster than a 486/33 MHZ? How do you know what you need? Best way is to try one, test drives do have a use here. Going up to a 486/33 will cost you $1K or so (quantities may reduce that price, check with Sigma for specifics). My 50Z is worth less than $1K with a 286 in it and a 121 MB drive including the VGA display. In MY case for $400 I got a 386SX/33 OS/2 2.0 capable machine. I would have had to by a 386DX/33 clone with SVGA and 8 MB for about $2K and then REPLACED my SB card too. I was COST effective for me as that is all I needed. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:04:44 on 92/08/05 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 13:35:10 on 92/08/05 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) Sorry, I did NOT keep this info. Ask in OS2V2SDK, I think the info was appended there. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:50:47 on 92/08/05 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 13:31:42 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Paul: Depends on your needs. I would like the 486-33 upgrade at $995 however I need more disk space (IBM 32bit SCSI Controller + IBM 210MB drive = $1600), better video (IBM XGA IMB = $1000), plus I would like more slots so I can get into multimedia. To upgrade my mod70 would cost me $3500 and not give me the multimedia capabilities I want. This tells ME to get a new machine, maybe the Mod76 due September. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:39:59 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 17:50:47 on 92/08/05 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) I anticipate upgrading multiple machines in my area. I work along with Dave Johnson who appended earlier. I have not run the benchmarks on the 2 machines we installed it on. However, We are not getting the performance where I would like, THE WINDOWING. I need to get my windows to refresh quicker. The video display is very slow. We are using 8514/A 1M. I know the XGA will make a difference, but how much? Can anyone elaborate. Can I measure the %usage on the Bus to determine if I am bus limited? Can I upgrade the bus to run at 20 mhz? My 486 33mhz clone at home (I know it has 8M mem/w256k cache and 300M Harddisk very fast) runs circles around the PS/2 with 16Meg Mem and 160M scsi or 70M esdi) Art Scanlon ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:28:31 on 92/08/05 GMT (by UMHC007 at OS2CUST) Subject: Compaq ProLinea 3/25S & DOS SessionSpeed We have just set up a Compaq ProLinea 3/25s with OS/2 2.0 (and all the fixes). We have been trying to run some comparative speed tests. We set the Compaq next to an IBM PS/2 Mod 55SX. Both machines have 16 Meg of RAM. However, in using graphics-intensive packages (games ;-) ) we have noticed that the PS/2 runs at a near-normal speed, but the much-faster Compaq really bogs down. The settings are identical on the machines. The way we figure it, 25 MHz should outperform 16 MHz in a full-screen session, no background tasks. Any ideas? Bill Freese ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:58:07 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 18:39:59 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Good questions.... Have we locked ourselves into the old MC bus -- Is the MC bus (early models) alot slower than todays? I thought the MC was supposed to be dynamic... ...Where's that "Chet" guy? He could answer these questions... Paul Kurr -- Stockholder Systems, Norcross GA ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:49:29 on 92/08/06 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 20:58:07 on 92/08/05 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Paul: The bus is NOT the problem, it is the other components. A 80-071 is running the original 8bit VGA, upgrading to the current XGA will give a 100% video boost and maybe more -- have you ever noticed how the video slows during I/O operations, bus mastering helps here. The original drive of the 80-071 has an access of 23ms, pretty slow by today's standard but quite fast when the machine first came out. Adding the SCSI with cache controller + the 11ms SCSI drive will do wonders. Performance is usually the sum of the whole and not one little piece. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:25:24 on 92/08/06 GMT (by IL39800 at OS2CUST) Subject: Dual Monitor Support We are trying to add an XGA card/monitor to a PS/2 70 and having some problems. Do we have to go through a reinstall in order for 2.0 to see both these monitors? And, can this be done? Chris Silsby, Michigan Dept. of Treasury ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:01:49 on 92/08/06 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 03:19:25 on 92/08/05 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) I have gone to my 8-Bit SCSI manufacturer (Future Domain) and also have tried Sony. Sony is the one that will not put forth any time for OS/2 because they do not believe in it. Apparantly Microsoft can convince them. What has IBM done to convince SONY that OS/2 will be worth their time!? My IS shop is behind BOOK Manager and softcopy books, but I am unable to read my VM/ESA 1.1 books(CD-ROM) at home. What I have done is put all the books on tape and load the ones I to disk. As you know the books do take up disk space! Yes I have tried DOS, but what good is it when I have BOOKREAD/2? Further, I returnd my home copy of OS/2 2.0 and I will not try it again til these type of problems are resolved. I do not feel I should jump through hoops to get this to work. Computers should be as easy to hook up as stereo systems. If I had the money I would have purchased a Macintosh. Jim ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 10:56:09 on 92/08/07 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 11:49:29 on 92/08/06 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Thanks for the update on the 8514/a. I will go and get an XGA for a trial run. I'll post my results. Anyone have an XGA card I can use ?? Art ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:39:52 on 92/08/08 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 22:36:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Just for the record - I'm running CorelDraw 3.0 CDROM with the 12,000 clipart images under OS2 2.0 (GA) and DOS-WINOS2. No hassle, and it works fine. What is your problem? Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:13:38 on 92/08/08 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 02:39:52 on 92/08/08 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Coral provides drivers. I am using Read/2 on a Sony CD. This is not supported by OS/2. NEC doesn't work either. Only IBM and Toshiba CDs. If I buy Coral I would be fine, but that is a lot of expense for basic CDROM support. Ken Wohlferd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:30:57 on 92/08/10 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 02:39:52 on 92/08/08 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) (no text entered) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:32:27 on 92/08/10 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 02:39:52 on 92/08/08 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Eliott, Are you running with a SONY CU-541 and a 8-Bit Future Domain SCSI controller(TMC-850)? Jim ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:48:49 on 92/08/10 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 04:56:19 on 92/08/12 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 10:56:09 on 92/08/07 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Well I just installed the XGA card with 1 meg of memory. <<DOES NOT SEEM TO WORK BETTER THAN 8514/A WITH OS/2.>> <<WORKS MUCH SLOWER THAN 8514/A WITH PMX WINDOW. >> I will stick with 8514/A adapter card. <<Can anyone compare a mod 8590 (486-33) to comparable OEM upgrades?>> <<IBM Internal replies to my reader, please. Thanks. >> Art ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:24:46 on 92/08/10 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 17:48:49 on 92/08/10 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Art, I did compare via PC Magazine PC BENCHMARK 6.0 the 486/33 on a MOD 70 to a 486/33 9X system, not physically. All I can say is that the processor was within 10% of the 9X's processor performance. The disk and display speeds on the 70 are quite a bit slower than the 9X's. If you are looking to run programs faster on a 70, you want the upgrade. If you are looking for Mod 9X's speed, depending on your usage, you may be greatly disappointed. I may still have the data around somewhere. Depends on how much you are willing to spend to upgrade to. I'm happy, but I think if price was not an issue, I would opt for an XGA equiped 95. Upgrades do usually get you a GOOD performance boost for a few dollars versus a complete system/adatperboard replacement route. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:09:08 on 92/08/10 GMT (by R3VMMSG at RALVMJ) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 17:48:49 on 92/08/10 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Art, New, improved-performance XGA drivers are available for beta test. In addition, the rumoured 32-bit OS/2 V2 graphics engine should provide a much greater improvement for a 32-bit XGA card than a 16-bit 8514/A. I don't challenge your views, but there are other factors to consider. Robert Luehrs NetView Hypertext Information Development RTP, NC ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:09:38 on 92/08/10 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 17:48:49 on 92/08/10 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) I'd give the XGA another try with the 32-bit GRE and XGA drivers. The XGA should be much faster than the 8514/A, so the performance loss sounds like a software driver issue. Re Model 90 vs. Sigma Data upgrade - I'd be very surprised if the model 90 wasn't much faster. Even without second-level cache, Model 90/95 access to memory should be much faster (not accessed at microchannel bus speeds). Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:33:22 on 92/08/11 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 15:32:27 on 92/08/10 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) No, I'm using an IBM CDROM 3510-0001 with a SCSI interface. Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 08:41:33 on 92/08/11 GMT (by TADAMSON at GNKVM) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 22:09:38 on 92/08/10 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) If display performance is critical we do have a solution. The IBM Image Adapter/a is vastly superior, performance wise, to both 8514/a and XGA. The 3MB version supports displays up to 1600x1200 pixels with 256 colours. It supports all IBM displays including the 6091 CAD screens. Drivers are available for DOS, AutoCAD, Windows, and OS/2. Tom Adamson Product Safety, Greenock. tadamson@vnet.ibm.com ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:52:40 on 92/08/11 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 04:59:10 on 92/08/12 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 19:09:08 on 92/08/10 GMT (by R3VMMSG at RALVMJ) Presently I am skeptical that the 32 bit XGA drivers for OS/2 will improve my performance that much? Can anyone provide measurements of how long it takes to list a 6000 directory from an aixterm window on a PS/2 with tcpip & pmx. Both with the XGA drivers shipped with OS/2 2.0 GA and with the new 32 bit XGA drivers. It would be deeply appreciated. Art ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:30:16 on 92/08/11 GMT (by LUEHRS at RALVM13) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 17:01:49 on 92/08/06 GMT (by AAAW2HK at OS2CUST) Jim, I know what you mean about computers being tough to set up. It took me a while to get my (originally) non-SCSI machine working with CD-ROM. Heck with making computers as easy to use as stereo systems -- I spent an entire weekend trying to set up our Dolby Pro Logic setup with the TV, VCR, and cable system. Ugh. Can't we make computers *easier* than that? Maybe part of the problem is that I always want something that is kind of advanced, that everyone else hasn't tried. Anyway, back to the subject. I agree with you that BookManager is most fun a windowed environment. If your shop is using it (like ours is), I'd use it in OS/2 V2. Lots of folks in this & OS2INST CFORUM have installed many kinds of CD-ROMs with OS/2 V2, and are using BookManager READ/2 just fine. There *are* other platforms with nice graphical interfaces, but none of them have BookManager. That alone encourages me to go with OS/2. I even have books from Oxford Press, some Yeats poetry, and photos on READ/2! Robert Luehrs NetView Hypertext Information Development RTP, NC ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:38:48 on 92/08/11 GMT (by R3VMMSG at RALVMJ) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 19:21:39 on 92/08/17 GMT (by R3VMMSG at RALVMJ) Subject: Upgrading processor -or- matching components Ref: Append at 14:52:40 on 92/08/11 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Art, I have little experience with PMX or TCP/IP, because they made my PS/2 run so slow that I stopped using them. Even without any TCP sessions established or X-Windows running, it'd be *very* slow. In fact, just waiting for the software to load seemed to take half the morning. This is on a Model 80, 386DX-20, 160+80MB SCSI. As for video, there are no "32-bit XGA drivers". What XGA offers is: 1) 32-bit Micro Channel bus for faster video data transfer 2) Video co-processing, offloading the CPU workload 3) New improved microcode for the XGA hardware (new drivers) The other big improvement (especially for XGA) is the new OS/2 Graphics Engine (OS/2 V2 GRE). It improves internal processing and data transfer across the Micro Channel bus. I hope this clarifies my previous append. Robert Luehrs NetView Hypertext Information Development RTP, NC ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:56:50 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 23:38:48 on 92/08/11 GMT (by R3VMMSG at RALVMJ) Say, you were'nt using the TELNET command were you. I have heard this slows OS /2 down quite considerably. Try using the VT100 command instead. Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:40:27 on 92/08/13 GMT (by WZ00619 at OS2CUST) Subject: SVGA Support of Seamless greater than 640x480 Has anyone heard of a SVGA card and drivers, other than TRIDENT, that hasdevel oped a seamless desktop greater than the default 640x480-16? TRIDENT has one driver for 800x600-16 that works, but, it has a problem with full screen OS/2 sessions losing sync. Any other vendors developing this? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. David Adkins REVCO D.S. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 05:41:30 on 92/08/14 GMT (by XXTSEX07 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CDROM Support from IBM Ref: Append at 18:30:16 on 92/08/11 GMT (by LUEHRS at RALVM13) I've spent hours reading and looking at fixes to try and get the NEC 74 CD-ROM to work. I've flipped bits, added this and that driver, bought this and that card and all I can say is &&&%-Q*! I have an ALR VEISA 486/33 101, I bought an ADAPTEC 1742A HOST Adapter. (ADAPTEC SCSI was supported by OS/2 base code). I bought the NEC because of the multi-spin technology and it supported ISO 9660 and CD-ROM/XA. I wanted to dabble with MPM and MPMTK, run OS/2 Bookmanager, and have Mammals, Mixedup Mother Goose for my son. All I got was the run around from three big time vendors pointing fingers. No we don't provide the driver the scsi card vendor does, no we don't supply a driver the CD-ROM maker does, no the OS/2 driver only supports IBM and Toshiba dives. NO, NO, NO. Well so much for industry standards, what a laugh. I just don't understand what the problem is, you wrote CDROM.SYS, were is the generic support for those drives that met the CD-DA and CD-ROM/XA standards. I don't think it's an IBM only problem but IBM is in the best position to do something about it. Funny what a good marketing program can do for a product, too bad the elephant seems only to be able to dance to one tune ..... Has anyone out there got a solution, a driver, a glimmer of hope. Yours truly 'Sorry, I could have bought mirco channel at twice the price ' Roger Roger Clarke - The Toronto Stock Exchange (416) 941-0807 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:13:01 on 92/08/19 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Subject: PS/2 80-071 Processor upgrade?? Ref: Append at 18:56:50 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) We do not see much difference between telnet and ansiterm or telnet and vt100 except that the login is much much faster. Once in, not much difference ! Art ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:25:40 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IL04688 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 50 Processor Upgrade Like many "true Blue" shops, we have hundreds of PS/2 50's and 50z's, and quite a few of them are running OS/2 1.3. We tried a few Kingston SX modules, but the performance, especially with OS/2 2.0 is dismal. We would really like IBM to offer a motherboard replacement for this machine so that we would have a viable upgrade path. Every year we have to convince upper management that reliability makes it worth the extra money to stick with the PS/2 line. Now we hear the argument that if we had just bought clones we could upgrade the machines for a reasonable cost (and yes, our CEO believes in using assets we already have rather than buying something new and flashy -- hence all the XT and AT print servers). Sounds like a win-win. IBM makes money selling upgrades, customers are not penalized for buying IBM products which are now obsolete. Leo Tornow ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:55:32 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 50 Processor Upgrade Ref: Append at 17:25:40 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IL04688 at OS2CUST) As a 50Z owner and IBM employee, I agree to, but .... I have gone through the Sigma 386SX replacement sets, the 20 MHZ allowed me to put OS/2 2.0 on the system, the 25 MHZ, allowed me to consider using the system, and now the 33 MHZ version tells me my disk and VGA display are too slow. The original 50's and all 50Z's disk are too small. I upgraded to a 120 (70 drive) and now have a 204 MB (faster too) sitting on the side awaiting an EPROM update to make it OS/2 2.0 useable. Next I will be after a display and adapter I guess... All in all, the 33 MHZ model is quite useable for OS/2, not a barn burner but it was as fast as a Model 70/20MHZ. I know, I have had both of them running side by side, until I through a 486/33 upgrade into the 70... Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:15:09 on 92/08/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Suggestions for bigger internal fixed disk for PS/2 - 70 Could someone recemend a larger internal fixed disk for the PS/2 model 70-B21. We have outgrown the 120MB unit, and are searching for a replacement. The replacement must fit inside the case, as these units are sometimes taken to off-site locations. Thank you in advance, Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:16:53 on 92/08/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: PS/2 50 Processor Upgrade Ref: Append at 17:55:32 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Irv, Could you please tell more about your 204MB drive for the 50Z? I am looking fo r a larger internal disk for a PS/2 70-B21. Thanks Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:26:22 on 92/08/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: PS/2 50 Processor Upgrade Ref: Append at 23:16:53 on 92/08/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Not sure this can be used on a 70, it has a transposer card with it, you know, the T shaped card the disk slips into. The 50Z and the 70 use a different card, but the IBM drives are interchangeable. As I said, this drive is not useable at all by OS/2 2.0. I did get the drive from Sigma Data, they sell a lot of machine parts too along with processor upgrades. Call, they may have 70 upgrades. I do know they have external SCSI's, but not sure if they have MC SCSI cards. Some external drives can get pricey. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 12:02:19 on 92/08/21 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Suggestions for bigger internal fixed disk for PS/2 - 70 Ref: Append at 20:15:09 on 92/08/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Mike: If you have a slot to spare may I suggest Perisol Technology 3350 Scott Blvd., Bldg. 1201, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 Sales: 800 447 8226 Tel: 408 988 2232 Fax: 408 988 4431 They have solutions that range from 84MB-535MB THAT FIT IN DRIVE B:!! Their package consists of a SCSI card, drive plus a modified T-bar. A few months ago (before a number of IBM price cuts) they quoted me a price of ~$1200 for an IBM 6451109 16bit SCSI card, the T-bar, plus an IBM 210MB 3.5"HH drive (yes, IBM makes one though it does not offer in their own machines)! An alternative is to talk to CMS (Sorry, no address info). I recently upgraded three 55sx with CMS' 160MB ESDI drives. Took 2 minutes to put in (didn't know about that stupid palstic pin at the side!). They are considerable cheaper that IBM. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:01:42 on 92/08/25 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Compaq Qvision Is there any special support for the Qvision (Compaq) adapter? Did anyone tried the 1.3 drivers? Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:44:21 on 92/08/25 GMT (by DVASKEL at CHGVMIC1) Subject: Compaq Qvision Ref: Append at 14:01:42 on 92/08/25 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) From what I understand from a friend at Compaq, the QVision drivers are in beta test right now for OS/2 2.0. No official release date has been given but I saw a notice saying "3rd quarter 1992." The first release was not expected to support WIN-OS/2 seamlessly, but this was possible to change. It'd be best to call Compaq for details; 1-800-345-1518; the OS/2-knowledgable support folks seem to work for the systems group under LAN Server/LAN Manager support. - Darius University of Illinois Account Team ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:22:13 on 92/08/26 GMT (by HAYNIE at OS2CUST) Subject: ATI (8514/a): I have a problem using the ATI Graphics Vantage video adapter with OS/2 2.0. I have the FAX from IBM with only one requirement for the ATI 8514/a high res use. When I run this card in VGA mode I have no problems. When I use the card in 8514/a mode the following happens: 1. If I try to move an ICON with mouse botton 2 I will lock-up the system. 2. If I try to copy an ICON (Alt. & mouse2) I will lock-up the system. 3. In both item 1 & 2 I notice some disk activity just before the lockup. 4. Solitare will lockup the system when trying to deal the first card. Robert P. Bartoszak - Mobil Oil Corporation ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:53:44 on 92/08/28 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sound Blaster PRO Multimedia Kit Has anyone gotten MSCDEX to work under DOS under OS/2. It keeps telling me that I've got the wrong version of DOS. I've have also tried to boot DOS from Drive A (a copy of DOS 5.0) running under OS/2, but no luck. I've tried calling Creative LABS technical support (408) 428-6622, and it's very difficult to get through. Someone mentioned on Compuserv that drivers will be available for OS/2 that will make the sound card work correctly and I understand that this will be available in about a month. However, I'm not sure if the CD will work. Does anyone have any information about this?? Thanks.. Walt Kapica Johnson & Johnson ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:12:45 on 92/08/28 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM2) -- Subject: Sound Blaster PRO Multimedia Kit Ref: Append at 15:53:44 on 92/08/28 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) Append at 13:56:05 on 92/06/05 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) I lifted the paragraph below out of the 2nd reference above (from this FORUM): Second, the MS MSCDEX CDROM driver is causing a lot of grief in the OS/2 2.0 world. The problems with this Windows driver were reported to development soon after 2.0 was available. The APAR's are PJ03358, PJ03365, PJ03540, PJ03983. There is a IBM CDROM driver for OS/2 2.0 that should work fine and has the basic operations expected for disk access. The problem is that MSCDEX has some "special" extensions that some applications have made use of. MSCDEX will not work with 2.0. The IBM CDROM driver for 2.0 does not have the "specials" and when development looked into providing an emulation they found out they could not without violating MS copyrights. Thus the no win situation. Many customers are unhappy with this but there is nothing IBM can do. Reports from customers are that MS refuses to assist. Craig Weeks LAN Systems Performance (DCE) Austin, Texas ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:56:31 on 92/09/03 GMT (by KENIN at MARTLINK) Subject: Sony CD ROM Support I spoke with Sony today, (Kevin Hanson 408-944-4306). He said that OS/2 needs to fix the support for his device. He said I should expect "Something" from IBM in the next month. I told him I would wait a month, and send it back. I understand that IBM, Adaptec, and Sony are now all waiting for someone else to make the first move. I am not sure who has the most to lose, but I think it is IBM. If he has the wrong impression about who should fix this problem, please give me more info, and I will call him back. He was all fluff. Ken Wohlferd - Fortis ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:31:18 on 92/09/09 GMT (by XXRBNK42 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Logitech C9 PS/2 Mouse Port Lost Horizontal Hold My Logitech C9 mouse plugged into a PS/2 mouse port (on an NCR 3420, not that that matters) works for a while .5 to 1.5 hours, then loses horizontal control -- the mouse cursor just moves up and down on the far right hand of the screen, and something thinks the hardware is sending lots of right-button clicks, since menus pop up and disappear with great abandon. I can reproducibly cause this by going into Comm Manager and using the mouse, but it happens under other circumstances that show no apparent pattern. Trying to use OS/2 2.0 without a mouse is impossible. Thus I have to reboot and hope the problem stays away long enough for me to get other work done. I have contacted Logitech and they inform me that the mouse should be behaving like a 100% compatible IBM mouse, thus there are no special drivers that they are aware of. The mouse worked great under 1.3. HELP! Forbes Hirsch, Technical Architect, Royal Bank of Canada (416-348-5129) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:40:02 on 92/09/09 GMT (by PRCI041 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sound Blaster PRO Multimedia Kit Ref: Append at 15:53:44 on 92/08/28 GMT (by JJIN033 at OS2CUST) I am using MSCDEX in a DOS session under 2.0. I created a DOS 5.0 boot disk and installed the CD driver on the floppy disk. I'm using the NEC CDR74 drive, NEC's software, and MSCDEX. The one trick I found was I had to download a new MSCDEX driver from MS. I had an older one that only worked with DOS 3.x. The new driver works with DOS 5.0 (I'm using Compaq DOS 5.0). After I got the floppy set up, I used VMDISK under OS/2 to create an image on my C: drive. Everything seems to work fine - I can play music using NEC's musicbox software, and I can use Computer Library to search periodicals. One last thing, I had to include DEVICE=A:\SETVER in the DOS config.sys to get it to work. Copy the SETVER.EXE onto the a: drive after you set up DOS 5.0 on it. Here is a copy of my DOS Config.sys: DEVICE=a:\FSFILTER.SYS DEVICE=c:\os2\mdos\HIMEM.sys DEVICE=c:\os2\mdos\EMM386.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB device=a:setver.exe buffers=30 files=30 shell=a:\command.com /e:2048 /p fcbs=16,8 Device=c:\scsi\neccdr.sys /d:NECCD Lastdrive=Z Here is Autoexec.bat @ECHO OFF ECHO. PROMPT $i$p$g REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;E:\DELETE,512; PATH C:\OS2;C:\OS2\MDOS;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\;c:\scsi rem LOADHIGH APPEND C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM REM LOADHIGH DOSKEY FINDFILE=DIR /A /S /B $* REM SET DIRCMD=/A FSACCESS D: c:\scsi\mscdex /d:NECCD /m:20 /l:G Mark Polly - Progressive Insurance ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:44:39 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXRBNK42 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Logitech C9 PS/2 Mouse Port Lost Horizontal Hold Ref: Append at 17:31:18 on 92/09/09 GMT (by XXRBNK42 at TORVMCOP) The new MOUSE.SYS that addresses the runaway Mouse syndrome appears to have fixed my problem. It was demonstrably a dropped packet, since I could remove the mouse ball and make the mouse cursor move vertically by moving the horizontal wheel, and produce random mouse clicks by moving the vertical wheel. For the record, my machine is a 386SX running at 16Mhz, an NCR 3420-1220. Forbes Hirsch, Technical Architect, Royal Bank of Canada ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:34:04 on 92/09/11 GMT (by DCU112 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS/2 Ver 1.30.1 and ATI Vantage in XGA mode I installed an ATI Vantage Graphics card with 512K RAM on an AST Bravo 4/33 (486DX/33Mhz with 16MB RAM) running OS/2 ver 1.30.1. I followed the instructions included with the ATI board, which suggest that you can add the board to a OS/2 ver 1.2 or 1.3 machine running under VGA mode and then install the ATI Drivers to OS/2 to bring the resolution to 1024 X 768. THIS DID NOT WORK! A fellow co-worker suggested reinstalling OS/2 ver 1.30.1 and to change the installation option for installed video to XGA or compatible. THIS WORKS! Since both the monitor (SONY CPD-1604S) and the ATI Vantage Graphics board are both XGA compatible. ONE PROBLEM: The DOS compatibility box is completely white with no cursor when it is double-clicked on. If I type "mode co80" <enter> the screen changes back to a VGA color 80 column display like normal. I added this line to the bottom of the AUTOEXEC.BAT file, but it does not correct the problem after I reboot. The same white background appears. The PC is used by several people in my group - so it is not something I can live with (on my own). I NEED SOME HELP WITH THIS! THANKS, Jeff Kowalke - Dow Corning Corporation ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:13:10 on 92/09/15 GMT (by DCU112 at OS2CUST) Subject: ATI VANTAGE BOARD & OS/2 VERSION 1.30.1 I recently installed a ATI Vantage Graphics adapter with a SONY CPD1604S monitor on an AST Bravo 4/33 (486DX 33Mhz) machine. I am running OS/2 version 1.30.1. OS/2 is configured for XGA mode and the OS/2 Desktop looks good (1024 X 768), BUT when I open the DOS compatibility box, the screen turns completely white and there is no cursor. I was able to convert the DOS box to normal by issuing a MODE CO80 command (no echo to screen while in its white mode), but this command does not work in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file, so every time I reboot, I must enter the command manually. I tried adding MODE CO80 to CONFIG.SYS, but only get an error on that line. What do I need to do to re-adjust the MODE automatically? Thanks, Jeff Kowalke - Dow Corning Corporation ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:53:44 on 92/09/16 GMT (by HALLERMA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: OS/2 Ver 1.30.1 and ATI Vantage in XGA mode Ref: Append at 18:34:04 on 92/09/11 GMT (by DCU112 at OS2CUST) OS/2 requires that 8514 cards be fully populated ( 1MB). Mel Hallerman ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:28:39 on 92/09/16 GMT (by IL12431 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sound Blaster drivers I have some applications that initially are greatly dragged down when run under MDOS and configured to use the original Sound Blaster. Interestingly, performance returns to normal when the applications are used for thirty minutes or more. I don't have this problem when I disable the Sound Blaster support. Is this a known problem? Would the MMPM/2 fixes provide drivers that get around this? Would the upcoming OS/2 2.0 CSD fix this? Dave Scheffer, ARGO Data Resource Corp. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:58:02 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Sound Blaster drivers Ref: Append at 21:28:39 on 92/09/16 GMT (by IL12431 at OS2CUST) Read the appens in the ISTHERE forum. All about MMPM/2 and Soundblaster. Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:56:51 on 92/09/17 GMT (by IL12431 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sound Blaster drivers Ref: Append at 02:58:02 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) ''All about' is something of a misnomer - all questions and few answers! Thanks for the pointer, though. I'll be following it. Dave Scheffer, ARGO Data Resource Corp. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:16:16 on 92/09/17 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Can anyone recommed a particular FAX/Modem card for an ISA machine with all/some of the following characteristics: 1. Settable IRQ's (other than 3 or 4) 2. Coprocessor - if performance worthwhile and compat. with OS/2 2.0 3. 14.4 Kb modem 4. FAX compat. with OS/2 FAXing software 5. 16550 UART 6. Additional serial and/or parallel port The overwhelming consideration is compatability with OS/2 2.0 as it is the only operating system installed on the machine on which it will be used. THANKS - Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:44:41 on 92/09/18 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 11:07:07 on 92/09/21 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Removed by appender ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:12:19 on 92/09/18 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 01:44:41 on 92/09/18 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) Art, Thanks for the info - that's one that I've been looking at. Do you use the FAX feature? I'm somewhat concerned about compatability because software tends to support only specific cards. I would guess that Practical Peripherals is fairly popular and would have OS/2 FAX software written for it. Any thoughts about co-processed cards? I know that Intel has an offering, but I'm not sure if the increased price is worth the performance gain(?) Finally, for the internal one - does that mean ANY IRQ? Thanks again! Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:52:32 on 92/09/19 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 01:44:41 on 92/09/18 GMT (by SCANLON at FSHVMX) This is a customer forum, I suspect they can't get the same deal you can ;-) I have the PP1440SA and QL2. I have NOT run it yet under OS/2 2.0, but I can assure you the FAX does work under OS/2 2.0. On CIS in the PPIFORUM is a procedure to make it work. Can't locate it on my system now, but I can get it. Send me a note, or move this to the IBM Internal forums to continue it please... Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:44:29 on 92/09/19 GMT (by HNDERSON at AUSVM8) Subject: IBM partication in the CFROUM Ref: Various appends by IBMer I strongly recommend that all IBMer take time to READ THE HEADERS of THIS AND ALL OTHER CFORUMs. This Cforum and all other Cforums are for Customers to ask questions offer views, suggestion, etc. TO other customers, and to IBMers. They are NOT TO CONTAIN references to IBM Internal USE Only products. They are not to reference IBM INTERNAL minidisk that are not available to customers. They are not to contain reference to unannounced products. __ __ ___ __ __ _ _ | |_| | / \ | \| | | |./ / Hank Henderson HNDERSON at AUSVM8 | _ | / _~_ \ Sincerely | . < Staff OSS to OS/2 BBS (TEAMOS2) |__| |__| /_/ \_\ |__|\__| |_| \_\ Tie:8-793-8647 Austin, Texas LNK1SM7 @ IBMLINK - OS/2 BBS ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:09:37 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences We have a number of Model 30-286s and although we are looking at replacing most of these with 486s to run OS/2 v2, does anyone have any experiences(good, bad or otherwise) with a CPU upgrade for the Mod 30? Besides boat anchors, could these machines be used as dedicated print servers? All my experiences with the Mod 30 and memory management(particularly motherboard memory) have not been good. Is anyone running Os/2 V1.3 on a Mod 30? Rolph Poorter Metro Toronto School Board ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:26:42 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences Ref: Append at 14:09:37 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Can't answer for OS/2 1.3, the upgrades may work, BUT, they WILL NOT work for OS/2 2.0. To do that, the DISK BIOS needs to be replaced. The README for OS/2 2.0 states that it will not work on any 30-286 that has been upgraded but we do have it running on system that have some disk upgrades in it. I can NOT vouch for all disk upgrades working, but at least one line of upgrades do work, and I have heard some others that do too. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:43:03 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 16:12:19 on 92/09/18 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) The PMFax (They renamed recently for ????) is workinh with most of Group 1 ,2 and Intel Fax card . You can get it from Softterm or Softnet ? For more do to the OS2V2 Digest. There is a long thread about Faxing. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:46:11 on 92/09/21 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 19:52:32 on 92/09/19 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- I've noticed an item in the Tips & Techniques section regarding Practical Peri- pherals FAX cards and the >1,000 interrupts per second limitation. The model is not specified. Also considering the Intel SatisFAXtion (sp?) 400. This is a co-processed card but they do not have drivers available for OS/2 2.0. I understand that I may still use it in a DOS window, but I'm making a habit of only purchasing hard- ware/software products from companies that have a commitment to OS/2 2.0! Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:01:32 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 14:46:11 on 92/09/21 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) I have been fighting desparately to get that PP info removed from the OS2TNT. It is WRONG! PP ships QL2FAX with thier PP fax capable modems. Those modems have buffered chips and use it, so that the processor does not exceed the interrupt limit. The program does not RUN out of the box, like most DOS Comm programs, a few setting need to be set. PP has posted on thier CIS BBS, OS2COM.TXT that tells you what needs to be done, and the S/W does work under OS/2 2.0. Not ALL FAX S/W does, and this has to be a 3 part equation that must be solved. You need a machine capabable of handling the S/W and H/W at the required service request time, S/W that works within the interrupt maximums, and a Modem that minimizes the system required services. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:54:21 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences Ref: Append at 14:26:42 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) Disk upgrades? Could you elaborate further, I'm not too experienced where hardware upgrades are concerned. What CPU upgrade was in the Mod 30 you mentioned? Rolph Poorter Metro Toronto School Board ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:17:40 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences Ref: Append at 15:54:21 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Sigma Data (1-800-446-4525) provided a 386SX upgrade and a 200MB disk. The disk includes a backplane which replaces the Disk BIOS. This combination installed OS/2 2.0 without a hitch. Without a replacement disk BIOS, you can not Install OS/2 2.0. OS/2 2.0 was tested, but not extensively, and it seems to work. The disk was a fast 11MS drive I recall. Don't know prices, and I am sure other replacments that replace the disk BIOS might possibly work. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:03:41 on 92/09/21 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 15:01:32 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Irv, Thanks for the info! Intel has a BBS that has info on their products and OS/2. PMFAX contains the necessary drivers for the Intel, PP, and most other FAX boards for OS/2 2.0. Their product may soon be bundled with some boards to pro vide the OS/2 support that we all want! On the SatisFAXtion board a DOS device driver is used to initialize the board for modem use, after which it is usable in any of the OS/2 environments. One final note: Intel claims that their test- ing has reveled that communications sessions are in general unreliable if other DOS programs are in the background in other sessions, suggesting tht all comm. programs run in the foreground - is this a problem that is solved by the "beta" comm. drivers now available or a result of NOT following the readme for OS/2? Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:15:56 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 21:03:41 on 92/09/21 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Chris, I think the problem was just a throughput statement. We always had provided a boost for COMM programs in the DOS box and it didn't matter where they were, FG or BG. There are new DOS Settings to shut off a DOS application when in the BG, but that is unrelated. There is no secret that applications in the FG get better service, and that is what you want your DOS COMM applications to get. Still, I can run 9600 in the BG (TAPCIS) without problems on two different Modems without problems. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 12:57:40 on 92/09/22 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 21:15:56 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Irv, I thought about the 9600 bps limit for DOS sessions after I sent the message. The model (SatisFAXtion 400) that I'm looking at is 14.4 kbs and that may pose the problem for DOS sessions in the background. I think that it is important to note that the tone of the Intel information provided by their BBS seemed to emphasize the limitations of using their product under OS/2 versus the advan- tages. When I spoke with a rep., and inquired whether 14.4 kbs was stable under Windows the reply was of course that it was wonderfull. I find this hard to believe when characters were droped and connections broken using only 2400 baud on my system! Intel does state that they respond to enhancement requests in proportion to the number that are received and that they are currently waiting on providing OS/2 support (directly) for their products. OS/2'ers should call all current and prospective vendors to place such requests! Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:35:07 on 92/09/22 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences Ref: Append at 18:17:40 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) Thanks for the information. After contacting Sigma I think that the CPU upgrade is cost effective, but not when you add in the hard drive upgrade. Perhaps a clone(arrrgh) and boat anchor is a less expensive solution to this. I haven't even thought about the memory aspect of this, what are you using in your upgraded 30-286? Rolph Poorter Metro Toronto School Board ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:43:28 on 92/09/22 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: CPU Upgrade Experiences Ref: Append at 22:35:07 on 92/09/22 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Standard IBM memory that was in the machine when we ran OS/2 1.3 on it. Only had 8MB I think, and it worked fine. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 00:16:13 on 92/09/23 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE81) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 12:57:40 on 92/09/22 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Chris; Youe are right about calling all these vendors and letting them know about the need for OS/2 drivers and Software. I had a nice chat with Borland yesterday about spreedsheets and data base (the have Objectvision for OS/2). I would add in addition let your local software stores (such as SOftware, ETC.) know too what you want. I call 4 or 5 local stores and then 6 or 7 mail order houses before I found one that stocked Objectvision. If anyone else out there is want Intel Fax support call their support desk. If you don't ask they want provide it do to lack of interest. We the users must also drive OS/2 support not just sit on our A___ and wait for IBM to do something. J. M. Schaeffer ("John" AIMS Sandy, Utah) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:39:00 on 92/09/23 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE82) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 12:57:40 on 92/09/22 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) From posts that I have seen on the NSC BBS it would seem that Intel is ignoring questions about OS/2 support. For this reason many have indicated on that board that they are buying products like PMFax, and 1 or 2 others have been mentioned rather than wait for Intel to do something, and I believe a number of these just went and bought the other products after hearing other folks experiences trying to deal with Intel. Companies like Intel that show a very negative OS/2 image to the first few callers are actually going to lose a lot more than those callers, as with the electronic communications that is occuring in connection with OS/2 1 negative response by Intel has been heard by 6-10 people who never bothered to make the call. OS/2 users who decide to buy another product because of negatism heard from other have to be urged to still take the time to let the Intels of the world know how they feel about the lack of support. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:59:25 on 92/09/23 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 02:39:00 on 92/09/23 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE82) What is an acceptable alternative to the Intel SatisFAXtion 400? It has a 14.4 kbs modem, sends FAXes at 14.4 kbs and has a coprocessor with 512 Kb RAM for off-loading FAX jobs for about $400-450. I have a list of boards supported by SofNet's PMFAX and the Practical Peripherals 14.4 kbs on NOT on it. Also, I don't think the PP board has the offloading capability! I want to do business with vendors that support OS/2 - but I also want the best products available... Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:21:54 on 92/09/23 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: FAX/Modem: fax with PP 14400FXSA Ref: Append at 15:01:32 on 92/09/21 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) Irv, I tried using the info on the PP fax modem with QL2FAX but couldn't get it to work in a DOS box. I tweaked settings as indicated, but (*drat*) can only get about 3 lines sent before it terminates. However, I'll try again this weekend and if I can get it working, I'll post the results here. Janet Gobeille ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:42:25 on 92/09/23 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) Subject: FAX/Modem: fax with PP 14400FXSA Ref: Append at 17:21:54 on 92/09/23 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Could you append the PP suggestions to this forum, this would save me the toll call to their BBS. I have been using QL2FAX with dos full screen since I cannot get it to start in a dos window, so far I have sent and received a few faxes without problems with the defaults settings. ===================================================================== David K. Johnson )( VNET: FSHVMX(JOHNSOND) Specials Products () IBMIPNET: davidj@arrakis.fishkill.ibm.com TP East Fishkill, NY )( voice: (914) 892-2979 (tie 532) Dept O2C Zip 33D () fax: (914) 892-6300 (tie 532) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:31:00 on 92/09/23 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem: fax with PP 14400FXSA Ref: Append at 17:42:25 on 92/09/23 GMT (by JOHNSOND at FSHVMX) Using the Practical Modem 14400FXSA V.32bis with IBM OS/2 2.0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Contrary to what is in the README file of OS/2, this modem can function perfectly well with OS/2. This document is intended as a guide to help users configuring their systems to use the PM14400FXSA with OS/2. By following the tips listed here, you should be able to most DOS, Windows and OS/2 communications software working with the modem as an OS/2 task. The user is assumed to have a working knowledge of OS/2 and the PM14400FXSA modem. This document is split into the following sections: 1. MODE parameters 2. CONFIG.SYS commands 3. Using Quick Link II Fax 4. DOS settings 5. 8250 UARTs ========================================================================= 1. MODE parameters ------------------ The following MODE parameters can be used as guidelines in helping the user determine optimal settings for use with the PM14400FXSA. Note that only serial ports with a hardware FIFO buffer or DMA capability support the ENHANCED parameter, and only serial ports with DMA capability support RXDMA and TXDMA. For DOS programs that can support hardware (RTS/CTS) handshaking: BAUD=57600 Some systems do not reliably support 57600 baud DTE speeds. In these cases, try a slower speed such as 38400 or 19200. The minimum DTE speed to allow v.32bis (14400 bps) connections is 19200 baud. IDSR=ON,ODSR=ON These settings are needed to allow automatic protocol-override mode. The PM14400FXSA should be set for &S0, which is the factory default. NOTE: Sometimes, using these settings, the application may "freeze." If this happens, use IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF instead. If the application drops characters with IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF, try using BUFFER=ON instead of BUFFER=AUTO as outlined below. In general, BUFFER=AUTO gives best results at high serial port speeds. OCTS=OFF,RTS=OFF These settings tell OS/2 not to monitor the CTS line or to control the RTS line. Instead, OS/2 will allow the DOS application to monitor CTS and control RTS. The PM14400FXSA should be set for &K3, which is the factory default. If the application loses data while other tasks are running, you can let OS/2 take control of the RTS line with RTS=HS. DTR=OFF This setting tells OS/2 not to control the DTR line. Most programs use the DTR line to hang up the line and force the modem into command mode. Normally the PM14400FXSA should be set for &D2. BUFFER=AUTO This setting tells OS/2 to run in automatic protocol-override mode. This provides maximum serial port performance, and is the optimal setting for using the PM14400FXSA at high baud rates. ENHANCED=ON This setting tells OS/2 to run in enhanced mode, which will enable the FIFO mode or DMA mode of serial ports that allow such operations. RXDMA=AUTO,TXDMA=AUTO This setting tells OS/2 to use DMA to receive or transmit data over serial ports that support DMA mode operations. If no DMA channel is available, FIFO mode is used instead but the data transfer will still occur. DOS programs that do not know how to use hardware handshaking should use similar settings, except OS/2 itself should be allowed to perform the hardware handshaking. This is done by setting OCTS=ON,RTS=HS. Some DOS programs (such as those under WIN-OS/2) work better with BUFFER=OFF. OS/2 programs can usually manipulate these settings without having the user set them. However, most OS/2 programs will function best with OCTS=ON,DTR=ON,RTS=HS and the other above settings. ========================================================================= 2. CONFIG.SYS commands ---------------------- MODE settings for the system can be set automatically in CONFIG.SYS. To do this, place the following line in between the DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (or COMDMA.SYS) and DEVICE=C:\OS2\VCOM.SYS lines: RUN=C:\OS2\MODE.EXE COM1:57600,N,8,1,BUFFER=AUTO,ENHANCED=ON (an example) (Your drive may not necessarily be C:.) Additionally, communications tasks may gain better performance by setting MAXWAIT=1 in CONFIG.SYS. IOPL=YES may also be required for certain combinations of MODE parameters. In some extreme cases, PRIORITY_DISK_IO=NO may be required to avoid losing data with DOS communications software. On certain systems, OS/2 will not recognize all serial ports on the system. (This often happens with ISA systems with COM3 and COM4.) To have OS/2 support serial ports, the DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS line needs to be modified. The parameters are as follows: DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (n,a,i) where n is the COM port, a is the I/O address, and i is the IRQ level. Multiple ports may be defined this way, such as: DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,03E8,5) (4,02E8,10) would define COM3 at address 3E8 on IRQ5 and COM4 on 2E8 on IRQ10. ISA systems can have problems in sharing IRQ lines. In general, it's best to avoid using two devices at the same time with the same IRQ level on ISA systems. Micro Channel and EISA systems use level sensitive interrupts and can normally share IRQ lines reliably. ========================================================================= 3. Using Quick Link II Fax -------------------------- This is the program that ships with the PM14400FXSA. Quick Link II Fax should work reliably under OS/2 with the above settings for DOS programs that support hardware handshaking. QL2FAX should itself be set for 57600 baud and RTS/CTS flow control. Quick Link II Fax may produce SYS3175 or SYS3176 errors when running in a DOS session. If this occurs, running QL2FAX in a stand-alone version of DOS under OS/2. For information about running other versions of DOS under OS/2, look in Appendix E of the OS/2 Installation Guide (page 97). (Note that you cannot normally run the OS/2 MODE command in a stand- alone version of DOS running under OS/2. Set up the serial port before starting the stand-alone version of DOS.) NiteFax may cause strange behavior if loaded and the system is left at a command prompt. The following batch file (NITEFAX2.BAT) should allow proper NiteFax operation as a DOS task: @ECHO OFF CLS CALL NITEFAX ECHO. ECHO. ECHO All incoming faxes are received and automatically printed. ECHO. ECHO To turn off NiteFax, press any key. PAUSE >Nul You can now load NiteFax from an icon using NITEFAX2.BAT. By pressing any key, the DOS session is closed and NiteFax is terminated. Users that run QL2FAX from a stand-alone version of DOS may want to make the following text file (EXIT_VDM.DBG). When run through DEBUG, it creates a file called EXIT_VDM.COM that will end any VDM (Virtual DOS Machine), including stand-alone versions of DOS. This is useful since the EXIT command will not end DOS sessions running stand-alone versions of DOS. a100 ; Enter the following: DEBUG <exit_vdm.dbg ; This will create the file EXIT_VDM.COM. ; This program will terminate a VDM. It will ; work in both OS/2 DOS Emulation and VM-Boot. mov ah,4D int 21 hlt db 2,FD rcx 7 n exit_vdm.com w q ========================================================================= 4. DOS settings --------------- DOS programs that perform communications may experience a performance increase by setting HW_TIMER to ON. Some programs can also benefit from setting IDLE_SECONDS to 60 and IDLE_SENSITIVITY to 100. Setting HW_ROM_TO_RAM to ON may increase performace on some systems, as can settinging COM_HOLD to ON. Remember that in multitasking operating systems such as OS/2, giving more CPU time to one task (by boosting the IDLE settings) may decrease performance in other tasks. Running a program as a full screen application can improve performance as well. ========================================================================= 5. 8250 UARTs ------------- OS/2 may have poor performance for high-speed serial port communications on systems that use an 8250 UART. Performance can be greatly improved by using a 16450 or 16550 UART. The 16550AFN can provide a hardware FIFO buffer as well. ========================================================================= Note: This document was researched and created by an IBM employee who works with OS/2 on a daily basis. It was created on his own time, using his own computer and does not represent anything 'official' from IBM. He is kindly sharing his knowledge and insight with others on how to get the PM14400FXSA modem and Quick Link II FAX to operate properly under OS/2 version 2.0. When there is additional information developed on this topic it will be posted as an additional file or as a revision to this file. ========================================================================== Paul E. Hansen 76702,475 Sysop PPIFORUM Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:39:15 on 92/09/23 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 15:59:25 on 92/09/23 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) I called SofNet (PMFAX) and they said the PP 14400FX IS supported, it's just not on the list. PP board does NOT have IRQ selection available just the 3,4 defaults. The FAX portion is currently Class 1, but will be EPROM upgraded for no charge to Class 2 when available. This will probably have the biggest impact on DOS users - allowing more reliable background receives(?) - OS/2 will already provide this feature! One observation - I'm motivated to upgrade my modem now, to make the Service Pack download practical, but those of us who dial in are lucky to have 9600 bps and ALL compression must be OFF for PMHPO. Anticipating >30 Mb of data - will this be reasonable...I'm wondering! Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:48:44 on 92/09/23 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) Subject: os/2 and windows accelerators Does anyone have any experience with the video boards which claim that they will accelerate windows? Specifically: Are there any that work with OS/2? Do they need drivers/patches which are not generally available, etc. Do they actually speed up the windows sessions under OS/2? Do they speed up the rest of OS/2 or would it just tolerate them? .... The reason that I am looking at boards is that I have a Realtek board, and although it works fine (it was advertised as totally compatible with IBM VG A) I have not been able to get it to work as an SVGA board with OS/2. The BIOS was originally copyrighted by Quadtel if anyone has heard of that. I have installed the VSVGA103 fix from the NSC bulletin board and the SVGA ON c ommand just results in a trap, so I have left it as VGA; but it would be nice t o use my monitor to it's fullest. .... and in only a slightly related vein for the IBM'ers here: The latest graphics utilities running around the DOS bulletin boards are drivers for VESA and AVATAR. Is it likely that OS/2 will support these "standar ds", or NAPLPS for that matter? ->Rich Corbett; ABC Liquors, Inc., Orlando, FL (NASPA: CORBRIC7) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:22:59 on 92/09/24 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 20:39:15 on 92/09/23 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) I just got the EPROMs upgraded for my PPI14400SAFX. Not sure why, but I did get them just after they finished them. At 9,600 baud, I am LUCKY if I can get 50K per minute transmissions. That is about 3 MB per hour, or just about 2 diskette images. I live in So. Florida and with hurricanes and lightning storms, I seriously doubt I can get 15 hours straight without a hiccup (not really true I have a UPS on the system). I do NOT THINK 5 hours of straight DOWNLOADS is a viable way of doing it. Of course, if I can get it sooner, or at less cost, that has to be factored in too. In short, you can do it, BUT do you want to? Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 06:40:17 on 92/09/24 GMT (by PMS7508 at MARTLINK) Subject: Creative Labs Video Blaster Is OS/2 MMPM/2 support available for the VideoBlaster from Creative Labs ? I have a SoundBlaster Pro from Creative Labs, and I am looking to add a video card to supplement the capabilities of my machine. Thanks in advance. John Baker, Policy Management Systems Corporation ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:41:38 on 92/09/24 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 01:22:59 on 92/09/24 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Irv, I appreciate your honesty! I guess it's pointless then to post the Service Pack here as far as dial-in customers are concerned. FTP is an option that I will take advantage of as soon as I can obtain a STABLE system. Right now, like many others I'm holding off on all decsions that constitute OS/2-specific solutions - both hardware and software until a have something that does not crash DAILY. I've tried for the last six months and am now hanging by a thread As you can see, the availability of the Service Pack is of vital importance to anything else I will do relating to OS/2. If all is well after this update, then I'm sure that the last six months will soon fade away and I can begin to recover all of the lost productivity since GA. If not, then I go back to DOS, put OS/2 2.0 on the shelf and wait for the next (free) upgrade! BTW, I have set up LS 2.0 over the base code - so this is already somewhat of an investment financially. I noted your resonse in another forum that you doubted that the SP would patch the original disks. I hope that this is not the case as you know OS/2 has many installation problems such as the boot partition > 120 Mb bug that extends the process beyond reason and corrupts the entire system forever. Search for messages from Jerry Sitbon and myself in various places on this BBS for more info. Sorry to go on and on, but I DO feel somewhat better now... Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:06:29 on 92/09/24 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) -- Subject: FAX/Modem Ref: Append at 18:41:38 on 92/09/24 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Understand. The main reason I can see to have the SP diskettes available for download is SPEED of replacement. If you should be in the small percentage that do get a damaged diskette, it would seem reasonable to me to D/L one image, even if it took you an hour. The other might be a firm that needs it NOW (I am sure there are quite a few of these), and they will need plenty of copies. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:56:16 on 92/09/28 GMT (by BELK034 at OS2CUST) Subject: CD_roms and OS2 I am trying to install a CD Rom in a PS/2 Model 95 that has a Scsi interface Adapter and Harddrive. I installed a NEC cd rom drive to find out that OS/2 on ly supports IBM and Toshabia CD Roms. Is there a List of CD Roms from Toshabia that will work with OS/2..???????? Joel Conner Belk Store Services Charlotte N.C. (704) 357-1000 Ext. 5075 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 05:14:07 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: OS/2 compatible Hi! I'm looking for some hardware¢software combo, which is OS/2 2.0 compatible, and works, like 'BigMouth (?)' So , the costumer dials in, get a digitized voice message and he¢she is selecting the options with a touch tone phone. Anyone can direct me where to find this? Thanks Geza Szivos XXXXXXX xxxxxxxxx (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:22:57 on 92/10/01 GMT (by V$RAYJ at BCRVM7) - Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 05:14:07 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Try Natural Microsystems VBX boards and software. I've used them for years, and they work well. Ray Johnston | DCC/2 Internals | Boca Raton | v$rayj @ bcrvm7 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:27:51 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 15:22:57 on 92/10/01 GMT (by V$RAYJ at BCRVM7) VBX: you don't happened to have a Phone# handy? Thank you, Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:46:41 on 92/10/01 GMT (by HGD16 at WINVMB) -- Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 05:14:07 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) What you really need is the IBM DirectTalk/2 product. Contact your IBM Rep or BO for details. Norman Sheen ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:18:50 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 17:22:44 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 16:46:41 on 92/10/01 GMT (by HGD16 at WINVMB) Norman, I think the DirectTalk/2 would be an overkill for this. I need a small one phoneline system. From the Ann letter DirectTalk/2 is a four line very expensive system . Thanks anyway. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:45:18 on 92/10/02 GMT (by XXTPFC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Internal Processing Error with OS/2 on PS/2 Model 70 We have several PS/2 stations Model 70 running OS/2 2.0 with 6MGB on mother board and 4MG on IBM extensions Boards. PS/2 is running OS/2 2.0 remotely (i.e. performing a RIPL from Lan Server station). When we placed a diskette in drive A: and we clicked on DOS from Drive A: icon we always get the following error: "The system detected an internal processing error at location FFFA3BB4 - 00D:00049BB4 60000, 7016 038600B1 Internal Revision 307, 92/03/01 The system is stopped. Record the location number of the error and contact your service representative. Eyad Saad/Towers Perrin/Montreal ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:34:11 on 92/10/05 GMT (by V$RAYJ at BCRVM7) - Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 15:27:51 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Natural Microsystems - (508) 655-0700 fax - (508) 650-1352 Ray Johnston | DCC/2 Internals | Boca Raton | v$rayj @ bcrvm7 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:24:29 on 92/10/05 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: OS/2 compatible Ref: Append at 18:34:11 on 92/10/05 GMT (by V$RAYJ at BCRVM7) Thank you Ray, I'll call them. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 Fax:(403)-290-5900 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:29:03 on 92/10/09 GMT (by X008660 at OS2CUST) Subject: NEC CD-ROM and OS/2 - need drivers I would have appended this to another item entitled "CD ROMs and OS/2" but I don't know how to do it, so... I have a PS/2 90 and attached a NEC CDR-74 CD ROM to the SCSI. NEC says that IBM should provide the drivers for OS/2 2.0 since the hard- ware is IBM. IBM OS/2 2.0 support says it is NEC's job to provide drivers. Will somebody help me. I want to use OS/2 2.0 but what's the point if I have to sacrifice something that is attached to my machine. It is also aggravating, from my perspective as a customer, to have BOTH vendors telling me its the other guy's job. Gavin Stobie ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:57:10 on 92/10/10 GMT (by SBRZAYD at HONE81) Subject: NEC CD-ROM and OS/2 - need drivers Ref: Append at 11:29:03 on 92/10/09 GMT (by X008660 at OS2CUST) I remember reading a post on the OS2DEV forum from someone who mentioned in passing that they had their NEC ROM drive working under OS/2. I am also very interested in your question because our programming group has just decided to buy a couple of NEC drives. I _do_ know that there are two issues here: you need the correct SCSI driver, and you need the correct CD ROM driver. I also know that there is a new version of the generic CD ROM driver that has the vendor specific checks removed. What I don't know is whether or not it will work. Have you tried the new driver (I believe the file is called CDROM.SYS but I'm not sure). Chris Corry American Management Systems ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 12:17:49 on 92/10/10 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) Subject: NEC CD-ROM and OS/2 - need drivers Ref: Append at 03:57:10 on 92/10/10 GMT (by SBRZAYD at HONE81) The driver is call CDROM_G.SYS at least that is the name I have seen in several posts on the subject in different places. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:15:43 on 92/10/12 GMT (by NABL3MQ at HONE81) Subject: NEC CD-ROM and OS/2 - need drivers Ref: Append at 03:57:10 on 92/10/10 GMT (by SBRZAYD at HONE81) If you just want basic data only support no problem. You probably have a Trantor SCSI adaptor, as that comes with the NEC CDs. Just get the Trantor drivers, off the Trantor BBS, and follow the directions. I have successfully used them for about two weeks. If you want audio, try a VDM. Look in the help under DOS-Starting Specific Version of.... You shouldn't need the new CDROM support for your NEC. If you just want it you will have to look on CI$. I havn't been able to find it anywhere else. Ken Wohlferd - Fortis ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 04:49:25 on 92/10/13 GMT (by JERRYB at SYDVM1) - Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters APAR II06081 states that the PROCOMM+ SCSI adapter is not supported under OS/2 Version 2.0, this was dated 2nd July. Is this still the case? Jerry Badalassi, IBM Australia (JERRYB at SYDVM1) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:49:26 on 92/10/13 GMT (by IL12431 at HONE84) Subject: SLC chip Ref: None What, exactly, is the 486SLC chip? How does it compare to a 486DX2? To a DX? Why would I prefer an SLC over these D-class machines? Inquiring minds need to know... ;-) Dave Scheffer, ARGO Data Resource Corp. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:11:55 on 92/10/13 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 20:49:26 on 92/10/13 GMT (by IL12431 at HONE84) It's a very strange mixture. It has a full 486 instruction set (and comparable performance), but without a maths coprocessor, so I guess that makes it "486SX-like" (if you want a maths coprocessor, you use a 387SX). Unlike any Intel 486, it has a 16-bit external data path, and 24-bit addressing (like the 386SX). This makes access to memory a little slower, and also limits memory to 16Mb. Internally, it is fully 32-bit, and has a 16K cache (twice the size of an Intel 486) which should help to offset any performance penalty of the 16-bit external data path. Most versions are clock-doublers like the DX2, running 20/40Mhz (in the older PS/2 56/7) or 25/50 (in the newest 56/7 SLC2s). Why buy it? Well, in an IBM machine, if 16Mb is enough for you, you can get similar performance to the i486SX 33 PS/2 76 and 77 for a lower price (with 16-bit motherboard, the system is cheaper to make). One more thing, unlike the Intel 486, the SLC2 is a low-power chip with built in power management (like the Intel 80386SL) so is great for portables. The recent ThinkPad machines, which use a 25Mhz non-clock doubled version of the chip, show this up well with their good battery life specs. Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:34:53 on 92/10/13 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 22:11:55 on 92/10/13 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Currently the proper amount of memory is between 8-16M on a networked PC. Limiting the user to 16MByte is a bad idea, and you can outgrow the PC in a year. What can you do with an old PC? Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 Fax (403)-290-5900 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:45:22 on 92/10/13 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Parallel port SCSI Is any parallel port SCSI is supported under OS/2 ? We have one NEC CD 37 (portable ) on order , and I'd like to play the DAP-CD. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 Fax (403)-290-5900 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:26:30 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 22:34:53 on 92/10/13 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Geza, I understand that old PC system units make excellent desk reading lamp bases <g> Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 05:25:07 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 03:26:30 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) I checked out the Eatons, and Sears, they have cheaper lamp bases. The users can outgrow it in less than a year. Even if it is 16bit MCA, enable it on the motherboard (planair) to use later with 8,16 or 32M SIMMS. 16M is peanut for a poweruser 1n 92, and for a secretary in 94. (But it will not qualify for an NT station either <g>). Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 Fax (403)-290-5900 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:01:27 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 05:25:07 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) One of the more popular re-uses of an old PC is as a boat anchor. Even if you're using one of the Rs(re-use, re-cycle, reduce) I doubt that the contents of an old PC are environmentally friendly to any water-way let alone a landfill site. I agree with Geza though, why put a 16Mb limit on a machine when we've all seen memory ceilings that within short periods limit the use of the machine. I really don't want to spend any more years of my life squeezing/tweaking/interleaving software to run on a box. Reminds me of the time many years ago when I had an Apple II with 16k and I had to......... Rolph Poorter Metro Toronto School Board (Go Jays) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:35:52 on 92/10/14 GMT (by COUCH at BCRVMPC1) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 17:15:40 on 92/10/14 GMT (by COUCH at BCRVMPC1) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 14:01:27 on 92/10/14 GMT (by XXMTBD03 at TORVMCOP) Out of curiosity, what are the requirements/desirably of upgrading your installed PS/2s. Perhaps, there is little interest since the machines have trickled down to where they are a match for its current user. Perhaps, limitations of video, memory, dasd, speed are keeping some of you from upgrading across your organization to new software. Norris Couch ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 17:22:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by RSTAENG at SDFVM1) subject: troubles installing OS/2 2.0 (German) on MICRONICS 386 CACHE I tried to install OS/2 2.0 on Micronics 386 with Phoenix 1.10 BIOS, TARGA ET4000 Graphics board, GENIUS GM-6 switching mouse. It were to long nights without success I didn't manage to install the Genius mouse correctly: In Mouse Systems mode (Confing.sys as cited in mouse.txt from the bugfixes) I got the error number: #0160:fffba26e 000d:0006026e and the system stopped. In MS mode the system did load, but there was no mouse installed, so I tried to use the keys. When I tried to close the OS/2. DOS, ... window (small window on the left side) the window disappeared. The only button key responding was the red 'RESET' button (HW-reset). Any ideas ? Ralf Staenglen ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:07:09 on 92/10/14 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: troubles installing OS/2 2.0 (German) on MICRONICS 386 CACHE Ref: Append at 17:22:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by RSTAENG at SDFVM1) I have a Genius mouse. When I installed OS/2 V2 I left the mouse in the standard setting (not MS mode). I chose the Logitech mouse driver and have had no problems with it. Pat Hammond ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:25:53 on 92/10/14 GMT (by GRAFF2 at STLVM14) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 22:11:55 on 92/10/13 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Note that there are two 486SLC chips: The one from Cyrix with a 1K cache, and the one from IBM with a 16K cache. There are probably other differences, too. They were developed independently but happen to have the same name. Michael GRAFF at STLVM14 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 09:17:30 on 92/10/16 GMT (by RSTAENG at SDFVM1) subject: sync problems with TARGA WIN+ ET4000 (Chip TC6100AF) Even using all the BUG fixes for BVHSVGA and VSVGA I did't manage installing OS2 2.0 without sync problems: 8514 mode: Screen gets black the desktop does not come up VGA mode : Desktop came up; DOS full screen got completely out of sync; the systems stops sometimes when closing a window: the list with colse' ... disappears about half of size and the system hangs up. Yesterday I found an article in the microcomputer magazine 'CT' (11/92 pp108) "GETTING BETA ALL THE TIME" on OS/2 2.0 support of common graphic boards. If they are right sync problems with the ET4000 under OS/2 2.0 are quite normal. They state that a solution will be to get a device driver of the card manufacturer. TARGA manufacturer delivers 1.3 device drivers only. Does somebody have a 'generic driver that works' or can someone tell me where to get a driver from? Thanks to Pat Hammond for the tip with the Genius mouse, it works. Ralf Staenglen ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 11:29:41 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE85) Subject: Hard Drive Question Is there any way to install more than 2 IDE drives in OS/2. There are now drivers available in serveral places that would allow this in DOS and several folks have asked this question recently over on the NSC BBS Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 15:03:53 on 92/10/16 GMT (by SBRZAYD at HONE81) Subject: Toshiba drives using IBM SCSI Ref: Append at 11:29:41 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE85) We are planning to purchase a couple of CD-ROM drives that we want to use under DOS, Windows, and OS/2 2.0. So far it seems that NEC is not such a hot idea, and we are rather underwhelmed by the IBM drives' performance and prices. However, we have heard a lot of good things about the Toshiba drives and that is definitely the direction we are leaning. For you Toshiba users, I have just a couple quick questions: (1) Specifically, we are look at purchasing several Toshiba XM3301 drives, with the Future Domain MCS600 SCSI controller. Is anyone using this configuration successfully? (1) We called Toshiba and the representative that we talked to said that the only SCSI cards they could promise that their drive would work with under 2.0 was the the MCS300 and MCS600. However, the mailing that comes with the PDK CD-ROM says that you can hook a Toshiba drive directly into the IBM SCSI. Is anyone using this configuration successfully? This is the setup that we _really_ want to use. Since all of our 90s and 95s already have SCSI cards we don't want to have to buy another set (actually our main concern is expansion board slots but that's something else entirely...). Any advice is very much appreciated. Thanks! Chris Corry American Management Systems ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:39:33 on 92/10/16 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) Subject: os/2 and windows accelerators Ref: Append at 20:48:44 on 92/09/23 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) Since no one has replied to this item for 3 weeks, I must assume that: 1. no one has had experience with windows accellerator cards 2. no IBM'er will venture guesses about whether they will accellerate windows applications, much less OS/2 applications, so probably one wouldn't 3. no one has heard of any driver routines to even use with them 4. any goals for meeting standards such as VESA, TIGA, NAPLPS, AVATAR, etc. don't exist. So I will narrow down on simpler hardware. The vendor who sold me my video card has kindly offered to swap it for another similar in price if I can let him know which chip sets I would like (he also offered VESA boards but we have just ruled that out.) What names have people here had experience with (and no problems in using the SVGA modes)? ->Rich Corbett; ABC Liquors, Inc., Orlando, FL (NASPA: CORBRIC7) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:57:12 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL78711 at OS2CUST) Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters Ref: Append at 04:49:25 on 92/10/13 GMT (by JERRYB at SYDVM1) - I am also receiving very little usuable information on how to use the NEC 74 CD-ROM with my PS/2 M95. For a very overpriced machine, it sure doesn't have the kind of support you would expect. I noticed that on the ATlanta BBS there is a new CDROM.SYS file. What is this for? Will it be added to this BBS also. I understand that OS/2 currently doesn't offer audio support for the NEC 74. IBM is supposed to issue a new CD-ROM.SYS to add this support? Anyone know if this is available yet? I have another question? Does the CD-ROM IFS take the place of the Microsoft CD-ROM extensions? If someone from IBM is listening, could you reply as soon as possible? I have ordered the CD-ROM for developers and would like to be able to use it when it arrives. Marvin Lichtenthal ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:31:14 on 92/10/17 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: os/2 and windows accelerators Ref: Append at 18:39:33 on 92/10/16 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) Accelerator cards use a coprocessor to speed graphic performance. The key thing is that they require video drivers to use this capability. Those that are described as "windows accelerators" of course will have windows drivers available. If OS/2 drivers were available for them, you should expect similar performance advantages. Three accelerator cards that I am aware of are: - those using the S3 chip. Windows drivers are available. OS/2 2.0 drivers are not (yet at least) available that I am aware of. - those using the ATI Mach 8 processor, such as the Graphics Ultra and 8514 Ultra. Windows drivers are available. No specific OS/2 2.0 drivers are available, but since the card is register-compatible with the IBM 8514/A adapter, you can use the standard OS/2 8514 drivers. Seamless 32-bit 8514 driver is not yet available but is on the way. - Those using the new IBM XGA-2 chipset. This is available in microchannel version from IBM and AT bus version from Radius. It has a full complement of Windows and OS/2 drivers, including 32-bit OS/2 and seamless Windows drivers. Performance reviews that I have seen generally show the ATI cards to be faster than the S3 cards for Windows, though both companies are in the process of introducing "next generation" products I believe. IBM has performed some performance benchmarks on the XGA-2 that show it to have comparable performance to the ATI card for windows. OS/2 comparison was not made due to lack of a 32-bit driver for this card. I have an ATI card on my 1987-vintage PS/2 at home and it runs OS/2 2 fast and flawlessly using the 8514 drivers. If I were making a purchase today, I would seriously consider XGA-2 because of the better driver availability. It is also competitively priced. Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:33:31 on 92/10/17 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters Ref: Append at 20:57:12 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL78711 at OS2CUST) Marvin If the NEC 74 CD-ROM was an overpriced machine, and NEC does not provide very good support, why not buy a Toshiba or an IBM CD-ROM :-> (Smileys) Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 06:54:04 on 92/10/17 GMT (by IL78711 at OS2CUST) Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters Ref: Append at 03:33:31 on 92/10/17 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) I was trying to reply under the NEC 74 topic. I meant that the PS/2 M95 is overpriced. There are many instances where the PS/2 model 95 is almost an orphan. I tried many vendors to get a tape backup unit that would run on the M 95 with no luck. Hopefully things will improve, but now that IBM is cutting it workforce so drastically It may get even worse. Marvin Lichtenthal ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 02:34:22 on 92/10/18 GMT (by MAY0026 at OS2CUST) Subject: CDROM failure question I am unable to access my CD-ROM and I'm wondering if the problem I am having is the same as all of the others reported or something different. I am using a DEC RRD40 SCSI drive through an Adaptec 1542B board. I have the new CDROM_G.SYS driver in config.sys with no options specified. At boot time no errors are shown and without the /Q option it shows that the IFS and the driver are loaded okay, drive G:. When I try a directory on the G: drive, my drive light flashes a few times, I get the no label message and the media serial number, then SYS0026, Specified disk cannot be accessed. Is this the same symptoms others see when they report failures using various drive types? Any suggestions? I don't even know whose drive is inside the DEC box. Bill Whiting ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:26:43 on 92/10/18 GMT (by STEINBOJ at WMAVM7) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 19:25:53 on 92/10/14 GMT (by GRAFF2 at STLVM14) Actually, the chip from IBM is properly called the "486SLC2". - John Steinbock ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 14:05:35 on 92/10/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM1) -- Subject: Serial or Bus for OS/2 2.0 - Which One? Why? I am going to put a Microsoft mouse on my Christmas list. I have a no-name clone (AT bus) that is running DOS 5.0 and OS/2 2.0. I have not found anyone in any of the local computer/electronics superstores who can explain to me why I would choose a serial mouse over a bus mouse (or vice versa). What are the factors I should consider in making my decision? Price is irrelevant because both versions are $79 at Computer City. If I get the bus version, does it include the adapter card that plugs into the motherboard? The box does not list an adapter card in its list of contents; it simply says that an available adapter slot is required. Craig Weeks LAN Systems Performance (DCE) Austin, Texas ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:54:32 on 92/10/19 GMT (by IL50072 at HONE81) Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters Ref: Append at 20:57:12 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL78711 at OS2CUST) HI Marv, Give me a call and lets talk about whats new. Mike Fowler. 703-218-2627 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:09:26 on 92/10/19 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) - Subject: Serial or Bus for OS/2 2.0 - Which One? Why? Ref: Append at 14:05:35 on 92/10/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM1) The bus version includes a small card that will use a slot in your system. The serial version will require either a serial port, or a PS/2-style mouse port. I guess your choice will depend on whether slots or serial ports are the scarcer resource. Dave ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:08:18 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2HW CFORUM modified at 01:10:10 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Serial or Bus for OS/2 2.0 - Which One? Why? Ref: Append at 14:05:35 on 92/10/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM1) -- Craig, If you see a SDLC card in your future, get the bus mouse. It is more difficult to get a serial mouse to work together with a SDLC than a bus mouse. Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst The bus mouse's we have gotten have always come with an adapter card. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:16:33 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Procomm+ SCSI adapters Ref: Append at 20:57:12 on 92/10/16 GMT (by IL78711 at OS2CUST) Marvin, I have heard of people getting a NEC 74 to work by hex editing the cdrom driver file and changing "TOSHIBA" to "NEC ". That person also said he had to make sure his SCSI adapter was in asynchronous mode (disable sync). Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 19:41:56 on 92/10/20 GMT (by GRAFF2 at STLVM14) Subject: SLC chip Ref: Append at 19:26:43 on 92/10/18 GMT (by STEINBOJ at WMAVM7) With the introduction of the Thinkpad 700 notebook computer, IBM now has three SLC chips: 386SLC, 486SLC, 486SLC2. In addition, Cyrix has a 486SLC which is different from IBM's. Michael GRAFF at STLVM14 ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 01:49:23 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Problems with WANG term emul. board. We had a fellow at our OS/2 Users Group who was trying to use a special hardware board that allowed him to comunicate with some Wang equipment as a terminal. He has a DOS program that goes along with this board. He said that the board had a Z-80 processor on it. The problem he is seeing is that OS/2 locks hard when he tries to use the special board with its DOS emulator program. If anyone has done anything similar to this and has it working, could you please post with the key to getting it to work. Thanks, Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:33:22 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE81) Subject: Problems Toshiba CD-ROM with Future Domain SCSI On a 8580-071, I installed a Toshiba 3301 CD-ROM using a Future Domain MSC-600 SCSI card. I have the service pack up. I defined the FD-600 as using IRQ5 and my entire system went flaky. After some research (using the PDK CD), I found a recommendation that the SCSI be at IRQ10. Made the change and so far no problems. IRQ5 is usually LPT2 which I do not have installed. For any of you IBM'ers on OS/2, is this really a problem that should be reported? For the rest of you, use IRQ10 or something other than 5 unless you enjoy a flakey system. J.M.Schaeffer ('John' AIMS, Sandy Utah) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:39:34 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE83) Subject: Problems Toshiba CD-ROM with Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 03:33:22 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE81) John, Thanks for that one, going to print and save it. I have the same setup being installed on my work machine tomorrow. Jack "Waiting for a big smile from Wayne" Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:28:41 on 92/10/23 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI I to am trying to get a Toshiba 3301 cdrom with a Future Domain SCSI to work on OS/2 2.0. I can't seem to get the correct BASEDEV device driver loaded. I called future domain and they said that there were 2 FD scsi device drivers shipped with the os/2 2.0 install disks. (fd*.add) I can't find them anywhere and the ones that are shipped with the disks don't work. Would someone who has this configuration running please shed some light on the problem? Could you include the lines in your config.sys that make it work, which scsi device drivers you loaded, and where you got the drivers. I am on a NON-MC machine and I don't have the Service Pak loaded yet. Thanks, J. Todd Elston American Airlines ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 18:54:01 on 92/10/26 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 02:56:50 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE83) John and Jack, Thank you for your help. I found the drivers on disk 8 and I have every thing working now. FYI, I do have an ISA machine, I did load fd8xx.add, I left the IR at 5, and I have not experienced any problems so far. However I am using the Future Domain TMC-845 SCSI card (called XM-PB800 by Toshiba) and it only allows you to choose between IR 5 and 3. Anyway, all seems to be working well. Thanks again for your help. J. Todd Elston American Airlines ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:40:58 on 92/10/26 GMT (by GESMAN at TORVMFG1) Subject: Hardware failure under OS/2. I have an INTEL PCMCIA interface card installed on the AT-bus of my PS/2-35 SLC. It is used as an interface between the PC AT-bus and the PCMCIA ETHERNET network card ("credit card"). This hardware configuration uses, in some options, shared memory and DMA for data transfer between the PC and the "credit card". I have test code written under the real DOS environment. It works fine under DOS-5.00, but under OS/2 (DOS full screen) all testing procedures are failing (for good cards). It looks like the failure(s) occur during the initialization of hardware, even before the start of any data transfer. I've tried MANY combinations of Dos settings, especially ones related to disabling of XMS, EMS, HMA and any other "X"-tended memory capabilities. Testing software reports that "something is wrong" with hardware which is not true. I followed the advice of one hardware guru to isolate address lines of INTEL card above A19 and to connect them to GROUND. - Doesn't help. Similar failures appear under real DOS, when Extended memory manager is installed from CONFIG.SYS. But in this case "disabling" of it - helps. (It is true for DOS HIMEM.SYS --- EMM386.EXE and also for Qualitas 386MAX.SYS driver - disabling of memory manager will eliminate problems). Looks like the general reason for failure is - extended memory management, which "my" hardware doesn't like. ====== ANY IDEAS ? ====== Gleb I. Esman ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 13:28:19 on 92/10/27 GMT (by SSIA013 at OS2CUST) Subject: Serial or Bus for OS/2 2.0 - Which One? Why? Ref: Append at 14:05:35 on 92/10/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM1) -- With the BUS mouse, you usally have your choice of IRQ's to choose from. If you *DO NOT* have a second printer port (LPT2), then you could use the mouse on IRQ5 -- freeing up IRQ4 and IRQ3 for the com port(s) and/or the SDLC adapter. On the PS/2's the mouse comes in on IRQ12, but I have not seen any bus mice that operated as a 16-bit card. Paul Kurr -- Stockholder Systems, Norcross GA ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 20:26:39 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 18:54:01 on 92/10/26 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Todd, Glad to see you have it working. I'm using the TMC850 that CD Technology distributed with their drive. I've discovered a problem with it today though, maybe one of the HW types around here has an idea on it. If I shut my system down, and try to bring it backup from power off I have to load DOS first to get this thing to recognize the CD drive. Any one run into this and have any ideas of how to correct it. Jack Hiatt Mgr. Technical Support Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:36:04 on 92/10/27 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 20:26:39 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Jack, I have had similar problems with the TMC-845 but not exactly like yours. Sometimes when I reboot with ctrl-alt-del or power-up it doesn't recognize the SCSI-DD. If I keep hitting ctrl-alt-del, it will eventualy work. Some times it takes one try, sometimes 5 or 6. Powering down doesn't seem to make any difference (the CD or the PC). I will keep playing with it to see if I can narrow down the problem. Thanks, J. Todd Elston American Airlines ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 23:12:09 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE86) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 21:36:04 on 92/10/27 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Todd, Actually from some happenings this afternoon my situation may be more like yours. I was doing some work installing a tape drive and on 2 of 5 boots with CAD the drive was recoginized. Am still playing with it but hope one of the folks that frequent the board can give some helpful hints. Jack Hiatt Mgr. Technical Support Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 16:14:26 on 92/10/28 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 23:12:09 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE86) Jack, Some more clues perhaps: I have run my TMC-845 at IR 5 and 3 successfully under DOS and NT(can you say that word on this forum?), but regardless of the IR setting it remains unstable under OS/2 2.0. I have not yet found any pat- tern to when it will successfully recognize the SCSI device. I just keep re-booting and it finally works. I have also not been able to find on the CD or anywhere else what the parameters mean on the CDROM.SYS driver, have you? J. Todd Elston American Airlines ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:01:20 on 92/10/28 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: Hardware failure under OS/2. Ref: Append at 22:40:58 on 92/10/26 GMT (by GESMAN at TORVMFG1) Gleb, OS/2 will not allow programs (including DOS programs) to directly address devices or physical memory locations. Programs are "mapped" into memory and what looks like a physical address (or extended memory) to the program is actually mapped by OS/2 to regular memory. Thus to your software the device is not responding because the address that it thinks the device is at is actually just normal memory. In order to do what you want under OS/2 you will need to create an OS/2 device driver for the device (that follows all the rules and interfaces for an OS/2 driver) and load it at CONFIG.SYS time. Then a separate piece of code is written to run as a program and issues read/write (or other) requests to the device which are then handed to the device driver by OS/2. I am no expert at writing drivers for OS/2 and cannot offer much more help than this. I do not know which IBM manual or redbook describes writing device drivers for OS/2, or if one is even available yet for OS/2 Version 2.0. But I can do some digging and find out which manual or redbook if you would like me to. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 21:31:28 on 92/10/28 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE85) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 16:14:26 on 92/10/28 GMT (by AMRT06F at OS2CUST) Todd, What you are finding is pretty much what I have happening here also. Can't test the NT side as I don't have a copy of that one YET. The only explanation I have ever seen is: /Q quiet, do not issue status msgs. /I ignore manufacturer info, doesn't seem to work. /n: have seen several posts as to what this one is, thought at first that it was SCSI id of device, but not really sure at this point. Jack Hiatt Mgr. Technical Support Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 22:31:57 on 92/10/28 GMT (by GESMAN at TORVMFG1) Subject: Hardware failure under OS/2. Thanks Stephen. Just today I figured out that the general problem with the network software/hardware was the use of DMA!!!. Shared memory mode, memory mapping and even communication in both directions works fine! I can even erase and re-program the EPROM on the ETHERNET "credit card". When I skipped the part of the test program responsible for DMA - everything went fine! But I MUST use DMA mode under OS/2, because I'm not a customer - I must test these cards in all modes. I found 3 things: A) Lots of advice (in FORUMs) suggested disabling DMA on miscellaneous networks cards under OS/2. (It works, but is it the ONLY solution for DMA problem?) B) Some information about 'VDMA.SYS' ('\OS2\MDOS\VDMA.SYS'): "The virtual DMA device driver VDMA.SYS supports access to DMA ports from DOS applications in virtual machines". This is perfect .....!!!! The question is: how can I run it? Adding "DEVICE=VDMA.SYS" to CONFIG.SYS returns error "Cannot start! ..."-DOS session can't be started. The same thing happens when I run a virtual DOS session from A:. C) DMA problem of software/hardware designed to work under DOS - appears to be quite common under OS/2 and sometimes even under DOS when XMS drivers are active. README file from the 386MAX XMS package (for DOS) advises the user to disable DMA on some network cards. ========================== Here are my questions: =========================== 1) Does anyone know a "software" way to allow the use of DMA on network cards under OS/2? 2) If VDMA.SYS can help, how could I run it? 3) I can program the EPROM on the card under OS/2, but it goes 10-15 times slowe than under DOS. What's the possible reason and solution for it? Gleb I. Esman. ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 03:49:59 on 92/10/29 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE84) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 21:31:28 on 92/10/28 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE85) Jack/Todd: I have found the following on the CDFS.IFS parameters for IFS=: /P (p) : 1 or 2 debug output port /K (k) supplemental volume descriptor in KANJI /C (c) : n default 2 number of 64K segements to use for sector cache /M (m) : n default 8 Maximum number of file sectors to read at one time. /Q (q) do not display signon message. I can find not reference to the CDROM.SYS parameters. Also APAR PJ05568 might describe this problem, you might want to check it. J.M.Schaeffer ('John' AIMS, Sandy Utah) ----- OS2HW CFORUM appended at 09:57:33 on 92/10/29 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Subject: Toshiba CDROM and Future Domain SCSI Ref: Append at 03:49:59 on 92/10/29 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE84) John, Thanks for the info will check on the apar for information. Jack Hiatt Mgr. Technical Support Marc Life Atlanta Ga.