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CDPub Digest                Thu, 01 Apr 93       Volume   93: Issue   2

Today's Topics:
                            Administrivia
                           .AVI Video Files
                        Bob Bruce in the news
                      CD-R blank discs (4 msgs)
                              CD-ROM /XA
  If you're interested in Legal Issues In MultiMedia ? ... (2 msgs)
                    In-House duplication of CD-R?
                Intermedia Show in California (6 msgs)
                    Kodak CD-R Media (Press Rel.)
            Location of CD-R for Philips CDD-521 (3 msgs)
                   PDSC (Sony) Multimedia Formatter
                     PENPM, Kaleida, PENMAC, CIC?
                      Personal CD-ROMs? (3 msgs)
                PhotoCD transfer labs for FAQ (3 msgs)
                    Premastering Software compared
          RFD: comp.cdrom.pub.{hardware,software,multimedia}
                The February archive is now available
                     The ultimate system (2 msgs)
                      what about Kodak? (2 msgs)

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 18:40:36 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Administrivia
Hi folks:

Your friendly List Admin here.

CDPub appears to be going along well and I am hoping for some good
discussions on CD Publishing.

A couple of administrative points.

(1) If you post something to the list and have received bounces directly
    from one of the subscriber sites, please alert me to this. Send me
    a copy complete with the headers. Distributed mail to "Fabrizio.Oddone",
    one of CDPub subscriber has been bouncing, but usually errors should
    come back to the Sender: which is a special address (MAILSERV) and
    not to original poster (From:). But some sites seem to send such
    errors back to the original contributor. I have removed this
    subscriber from the list, pending response from the postmaster at
    the problem site.

(2) We want to make CDPub a useful resource for CD Publishing issues.
    So please... if there is a question to the list that is 'off-topic',
    respond by email direct to the person asking the question. Same
    applies to 'Thank you' notes, unless such gratitude applies to the
    whole list. :-)

    I am talking about this, because recently there have been some posts
    on what the heck a newsgroup is. I am certain that most of you will
    consider this 'noise' and waste of 'bandwidth', if threads of this
    nature continue. I know I would.

    On the assumption that most of the discussions will be of interest
    to the list, the Reply-To: header is set to the list's address. So
    please be aware that replying with 'reply' or 'follow' commands
    will send the response to the list. To reply to the person posting,
    please direct your mail direct to the person whose address appears
    in the From: header.

    Thanks for listening. Let us get some good discussions going.

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 18:16:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Gasparini <emory!nic.cerf.net!pbg6163>
Subject: .AVI Video Files
To: CDPub <[e-mail]>

Could someone please advise if there is an ftp site (or BBS or other)
where I can download/locate an .AVI video of an Owl (yes the bird)
preferably flying or a still photo of same.

Thanks, in advance, for any help with this request.

Peter Gasparini

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 93 17:25:19 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bob Bruce in the news
Robert Bruce, a CDPub participant, does it again.

He founded Walnut Creek CDROM to make many low-cost CD-ROMs available
to many of us. He put together the CD-ROM FAQ list and maintains the
same. He also makes it available along with other goodies at his ftp
site cdrom.com

He now appears in the pages of CD-ROM Professional as a guest columnist
(See Issue 3/93) presenting the FAQ List in print.

Well done, Bob.

GeSS
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 12:38:38 -0800
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: CD-R blank discs
To: [e-mail]

About a week ago I posted a note asking if anyone wanted to go in
on a purchase of 63 minute CD-R blank discs.  Well, the company I
was dealing with has changed their pricing so there is no longer
a minimum quanity.  So you can just order your discs directly from
them.  They sell 63' media for $19 each.  This is the lowest price
I have seen anywhere.  The discs are made in the USA by Kodak.  I
have used several dozen in a Philips CDD521 with no problems.

Call DataDisc at 1-800-328-2347.

If you find a lower price anywhere, please let me know.  I would also
like to find out if anyone knows of any good prices on 74' media.  I am
paying $27 each for 74' discs now.  The price difference between 74'
and 63' discs used to be about $2, but now it has widened to $8.

I have heard that CD-R media is expected to fall below $10 per disc
by 1994.  It sure seems to be heading in that direction.  I paid $40
each for my first discs just last summer.

    -bob

disclaimer:  I have no relationship with DataDisc other than as a
             satisfied customer.

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 18:42:05 -0600 (CST)
From: emory!RIGEL.TAMU.EDU!JAC7774 (Hawk)
Subject: CD-R blank discs
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About a week ago I posted a note asking if anyone wanted to go in
on a purchase of 63 minute CD-R blank discs.  Well, the company I
was dealing with has changed their pricing so there is no longer
a minimum quanity.  So you can just order your discs directly from
them.  They sell 63' media for $19 each.  This is the lowest price
I have seen anywhere.  The discs are made in the USA by Kodak.  I
have used several dozen in a Philips CDD521 with no problems.

Call DataDisc at 1-800-328-2347.

If you find a lower price anywhere, please let me know.  I would also
like to find out if anyone knows of any good prices on 74' media.  I am
paying $27 each for 74' discs now.  The price difference between 74'
and 63' discs used to be about $2, but now it has widened to $8.

I have heard that CD-R media is expected to fall below $10 per disc
by 1994.  It sure seems to be heading in that direction.  I paid $40
each for my first discs just last summer.

    -bob

disclaimer:  I have no relationship with DataDisc other than as a
             satisfied customer.




I would like to know where you are getting 74 minute media....Also,
has anyone had a problem with failure on the 74' media....

Thanks for any information.

John

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 93 20:32:29 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD-R blank discs
emory!RIGEL.TAMU.EDU!JAC7774 writes:
>
> I would like to know where you are getting 74 minute media....Also,
> has anyone had a problem with failure on the 74' media....
>
> Thanks for any information.
>

Most of the dealers carry 63' and 74' media. DataDisc, cited by
Bob Bruce, carry both sizes.. Kodak, TDK, Taiyo etc.

Most uptodate drives from Sony, Hitachi, Toshiba et al seem to be able
to handle the 74' media filled to 680mb. But some drives seem to have
problem. A Japanese consortium is supposed to be at work to set a
standard for the 74' to ensure drive compatibility for the CD-R and
CD-ROM.

For now, for publications etc., it may be wise to stick to the 63'
variety. Especially for the CD-R.

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 01:16:47 -0800
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: CD-R blank discs
To: [e-mail]

>I would like to know where you are getting 74 minute media....Also,
>has anyone had a problem with failure on the 74' media....

I have purchased 74' media from several sources.  I think DataDisc
has prices as low as anyone.

The Philips CDD-521 does not work reliably with 74' media.  Philips
does not officially support the use of 74' media with their product.
Different brands of media have different levels of reliablity.  I have
had high failure rates with discs from Taiyo Yuden, but I have had
pretty good luck with discs from Ricoh and TDK.  This may just be because
of the age of the discs.  I have heard that the quality of the CD-R
media has improved a lot just in the last six months because of improvements
in the technology of making the discs.

I have seen two different failure modes when recording 74' discs.  Sometimes
the recording session will end without any errors, and the discs will work
in some CD-ROM drives, but will fail in other CD-ROM drives, especially
el-cheapo drives like Mitsumi or Magnavox.  Other times the recording
session will abort with an error just before the lead-in track is recorded.
If you look at the resulting disc, the first three millimeters are not
recorded.  This second failure mode seems to occur only when I am recording
a small image (less than 400 meg).

I have never had a problem making a 63' disc on the Philips drive.  They
have been good 100% of the time.  I have decided to use 63' media whenever
possible, and only use 74' discs when I really need to record more than
600 meg.

        -bob

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 08:28:19 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: CD-ROM /XA
To: [e-mail]

Preamble to Question:
As I understand it, CD-ROM /XA permits the interleave of compressed audio
on the same track as data because the XA format codes a subheader
describing the sector. A CD-ROM /XA track may interleave Mode 2
compressed audio and Mode 2 data sectors but the down side is that
additional hardware is needed to separate these when playing the disc.
The hardware automatically separates the audio from the data, decompress
the audio and plays it out through the audio jacks. At the same time, the
hardware passes the data to the computer. Constructing an XA application
or even a simple mixed mode application where all the audio resides in
tracks 2-99 appears to be a pain from what I read (haven't done one myself
yet).

Question?????:
Wouldn't it be simpler to just publish in CD-ROM mode 1 format (most dumb
players will read it) and leave it to the application software to
recognize the interleaved audio segments and have them sent through a
sound card? (yep, overhead of a sound card). You achieve the same effect
of "simulating" concurrent sound and data action. I appreciate the
extra space afforded to audio when it is stored as XA Mode 2, but
apart from this, does XA exist more or less to just use the DA side of a
CD player?  It seems easier and less costly for a backroom publisher, who
doesn't have XA premastering software or an XA player for that matter, to
work with digital sound clips and still locate them onto the same track
as the data.  Maybe there are other obvious advantages that XA provides
that I should know about? For another thing, if you stay away from
XA, then you can also use your CD mixed application across a network.

Discussion?

Douglas G. Link                             E-Mail [e-mail]
Social Science Computing Laboratory         Phone  [phone]
University of Western Ontario               FAX    [phone]
London, Ontario
N6A 5C2

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 11:24:58 GMT
From: Ashok Gupta <emory!prl.philips.co.uk!gupta>
Subject: If you're interested in Legal Issues In MultiMedia ? ...
To: [e-mail]

The March 1993 issue of CD-ROM Professional, (pages 36-40) has an article entitled

  "Structuring the MultiMedia deal : Legal Issues - Part I
              Licensing in the MultiMedia Arena "

                by David Gersh & Sheri Jeffrey

  who appear to be practising lawyers.


Ashok Gupta
Philips Research Labs, Crossoak Lane, Redhill, Surrey, RH1 5HA, U.K.

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 15:10:37 GMT
From: Ashok Gupta <emory!prl.philips.co.uk!gupta>
Subject: If you're interested in Legal Issues In MultiMedia ? ...
To: [e-mail]

I've heard of two more papers :

    Zimmerman, Barbara. "The Trouble With Multimedia: Copyright Clearance
    and The Uncertain Future."  AV VIDEO, January 1993, p. 46+.

    Schneier, Bruce. "Practice Safe Multimedia: Wear a Copyright."
    NEWMEDIA, December 1992. Copies available upon request from Reprints
    Editor, NewMedia, 901 Mariner's Island Blvd, Ste 365, San Mateo CA
    94404.

Ashok Gupta
Philips Research Labs, Crossoak Lane, Redhill, Surrey, RH1 5HA, U.K.

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 93 08:47:43 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: In-House duplication of CD-R?
Hi folks,

Came across a blurb from Trace. They have introduced what they call
LH-2600 Write Once Duplicator. They use the new Sony double-speed
writer and they can daisychain upto 16 of these for duplication
purposes. Likely to be somewhat expensive, but if one has a need
for quick duplication of small lots of CD-R, this may be something
to look at.

Philips discourages use of daisychained CDD-521. So Sony may have
a better scheme of buffering and daisychaining their recorders.

The Trace system handles Red Book (CD-DA), Yellow Book (CD-ROM & XA)
and Orange Book (CD-R). They also sell ISO formatter (probably Sony's).

Contact:
Trace
1040 East Brokaw Road
San Jose, CA 95131-2939, USA
Phone: [phone]   Fax: [phone]

GeSS
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 93 21:41:09 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
first week of April, 93.

If any one in the list is attending Intermedia, can you please share any
new information you may have gleaned or any new products which may be
announced and demonstrated.

Thank you in anticipation.

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 09:32:19 CST
From: emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie (David Clunie)
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
To: [e-mail]

> I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
> to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
> first week of April, 93.

Where is Intermedia being held ? I will be in SF for SMRI at that time
and might drop in if I can.

david

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 23:58:52 -0800
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] said...
>I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
>to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
>first week of April, 93.
>
>If any one in the list is attending Intermedia, can you please share any
>new information you may have gleaned or any new products which may be
>announced and demonstrated.

I will be attending.  I will post a note about any really neat new stuff.
If anyone else on this list is attending, please stop by booth #832 and
say hello.

    -bob

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 21:10:54 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie writes:

> > I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
> > to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
> > first week of April, 93.
>
> Where is Intermedia being held ? I will be in SF for SMRI at that time
> and might drop in if I can.
>
David,

Intermedia is from March 30-April 1 at San Jose Convention Center,
San Jose, CA.

Further details can be had from Reed Exhibition Group, Stamford, CT
Phone: [phone]  Fax: [phone].

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 09:32:19 CST
From: emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie (David Clunie)
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
To: [e-mail]

> I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
> to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
> first week of April, 93.

Where is Intermedia being held ? I will be in SF for SMRI at that time
and might drop in if I can.

david

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 09:07:21 -0500
From: Tom Lathrop 588-0677 <emory!sector.Kodak.COM!tgl>
Subject: Intermedia Show in California
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] asked:

> Where is Intermedia being held ? I will be in SF for SMRI at that time
> and might drop in if I can.

It's at the convention center in San Jose. I believe that the show runs
from Tuesday March 30 through Thursday April 1.

Tom Lathrop
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 93 19:52:38 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kodak CD-R Media (Press Rel.)
Recently I bought a bunch of Kodak CD-R media for use with the Philips
CDD-521 Recorder. I am still using up the supply of Philips media, so
I haven't tried the Kodak media. But this appears to be the lowest priced
media available (Only 63' variety available in Kodak brand).

I came across the following release from Kodak, which I thought, you all
will find interesting.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sb: #Kodak CD Permanence
Fm: Paul McAfee [Kodak] 70007,6241
To: ALL

The following will be part of our Intermedia press kit next week.

March 1993
Eastman Kodak Company, 343 State St., Rochester, NY  14650

PERMANENCE OF KODAK WRITABLE CD MEDIA
WITH INFOGUARD PROTECTION SYSTEM

(Note:  This also applies to Photo CD discs.)

As new applications for writable CD products are identified and
implemented, the issue of permanence of information recorded on
CDs must be addressed.  As with other information-recording
media, including photographic film, magnetic tape, and optical
discs, different manufacturers produce products having different
quality, reliability, and lifetime properties.  It is important that
customers carefully select their suppliers.

Kodak manufactures Kodak writable CD media with InfoGuard
protection system using different materials and manufacturing
processes than are used for mass produced audio or data discs.
The reflector Kodak uses is gold, a material that is not adversely
affected by moisture, oxygen, or solvents.  The data-recording layer
Kodak uses is a carefully selected laser-sensitive dye that does not
change significantly over time, even when exposed to extreme light,
heat, and humidity conditions.

Kodak knows there are wide variations in composition of the
dye layers used by various media manufacturers.  Information
stability characteristics in other manufacturers' media vary widely
and can be linked to different types of dyes used in their discs.  In
our testing, we observe no significant changes in any performance
characteristics of Kodak writable CD media with InfoGuard
protection system after 32 days of continuous exposure to 50 Klux
of simulated daylight (sunlight filtered through window glass).
This corresponds to more than 100 years of exposure to indirect
indoor sunlight.  Indoor indirect sunlight is what a disc experiences
when left on a desk or shelf in a well-windowed room.  Similar
results were obtained in our tests for discs exposed to high
temperature (up to 176~ F/80~ C) and high humidity (up to 85%).
It is not possible to accurately predict an expected data lifetime
based on these results because the changes we observe are so small,
even after prolonged testing.  It is reasonable to expect a life of 30
years or more when discs are stored in normal home or office
conditions.  We are continuing our testing, covering many
production lots of material, under many different testing
conditions.  Additional results will be reported when testing is
completed.  It is important to note that any accelerated tests are
predictions that must be confirmed in real-life keeping tests.
Kodak writable CD media with InfoGuard protection system
also has been specially treated to minimize damage caused by
handling.  Our scratch tolerant surface resists damage even when
subjected to forces twice as great as those that would cause data
loss on conventional CDs and five times greater than those that
would cause data loss on some other recordable CD media.  This
results in a product with excellent physical durability.

###

[Note:  Kodak and InfoGuard are trademarks.]

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GeSS
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 11:23:49 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Location of CD-R for Philips CDD-521
 Here is an explanation as to why the CD-R media from Kodak may not work
 in recorders other than the Kodak and Philips Drives. This is from
 Adrie Koolen of Philips.

 =========================================================================
 What's recorded on an `empty' CD-R, is the Disc Application Code, which
 can be disc "for unrestricted use" and "for restricted use". I've checked
 a Kodak Photo CD, which was a Disc for Restricted Use, with a Special
 Purpose, namely a Photo CD (type 2). I don't exactly know how a writer
 like the CDD-521 would decide whether or not to write some data, knowing
 the Application Code. Maybe that other writers only write discs that are
 for Unrestricted Use?

 Adrie Koolen ([e-mail])
 Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands
 ========================================================================

My question is: Is the Disc Application Code prewritten in all Kodak
CD-R media? Or can one buy Kodak media separately for "Unrestricted Use"?

Seems to me that the Disc Application Code should be written by the
processor of the CD-R media rather than prestamping it with some
restrictive codes in the 'blank' media. Unless of course, the media
is specifically formulated to be compatible with the Philips writers.

Can anyone elaborate on this?

GeSS
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 11:19:50 -0500
From: Tom Lathrop 588-0677 <emory!sector.Kodak.COM!tgl>
Subject: Location of CD-R for Philips CDD-521
To: [e-mail]

Gess Shankar quotes Adrie Koolen of Philips:

 =[ quote starts ]========================================================
 What's recorded on an `empty' CD-R, is the Disc Application Code, which
 can be disc "for unrestricted use" and "for restricted use". I've checked
 a Kodak Photo CD, which was a Disc for Restricted Use, with a Special
 Purpose, namely a Photo CD (type 2). I don't exactly know how a writer
 like the CDD-521 would decide whether or not to write some data, knowing
 the Application Code. Maybe that other writers only write discs that are
 for Unrestricted Use?

 Adrie Koolen ([e-mail])
 Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands
 =[ quote ends  ]========================================================

Let me elaborate on this a bit. There is an addendum to the Orange Book
which was issued by Philips in July of 1992 which describes this. The
Disc Application Code is a mandatory requirement for CD-WO discs. Most
CDs, including Kodak Writable CDs, have this code set for Unrestricted Use.
Kodak Photo CDs have it set to Restricted Use, Special Purpose, as Adrie
Koolen has described. The Philips CDD-521 and the Kodak PCD 200 will not
record data on Restricted Use, Special Purpose discs unless they have been
set to do this. (Presumably other recorders operate in a similar fashion,
but I don't know that for sure.) One purpose of this, as I understand, is
to ensure that a disc which says "Photo CD" on it will actually play back
correctly on a Photo CD player. Otherwise a potential for confusion exists
on the part of consumers who have writable CDs recorded with images in TIFF,
GIF, or some other format. If a disc contains pictures, and says Photo CD
on it, a consumer would expect that disc to play on a Photo CD player.

Gess Shankar said:

> My question is: Is the Disc Application Code prewritten in all Kodak
> CD-R media? Or can one buy Kodak media separately for "Unrestricted Use"?

I hope I made this clear above, but I'll state it again. Kodak makes two
kinds of media. Photo CDs have the Disc Application Code set to Restricted
Use, Special Purpose. They are sold to photo finishers only. Writable CDs
have this code set for Unrestricted Use. They are sold to anyone, usually
through resellers.

Tom Lathrop
[e-mail]

Disclaimer: I am not a Kodak spokesperson. I'm just telling you what I know.

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 93 09:47:23 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Location of CD-R for Philips CDD-521
emory!sector.Kodak.COM!tgl writes:

>
> Let me elaborate on this a bit. There is an addendum to the Orange Book
> which was issued by Philips in July of 1992 which describes this. The
> Disc Application Code is a mandatory requirement for CD-WO discs. Most
> CDs, including Kodak Writable CDs, have this code set for Unrestricted Use.
> Kodak Photo CDs have it set to Restricted Use, Special Purpose, as Adrie
> Koolen has described. The Philips CDD-521 and the Kodak PCD 200 will not
> record data on Restricted Use, Special Purpose discs unless they have been
> set to do this. (Presumably other recorders operate in a similar fashion,

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 93 17:41:44 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: PDSC (Sony) Multimedia Formatter
Question to the list:

Anyone familiar with PDSC (Sony) Multimedia Formatter?

Publishers Data Service Corporation is a Sony company, which offers
a bunch of CD Publishing tools.

FTR is their authoring tool (indexing, retrieval etc.) and they also
have a formatter which creates ISO-9660 image and does all the
popular formats such CD-XA, CD-DA, CD-I and so on. It can also format
the image for the Sony electronic book. This is the portable data discman
that Sony markets.

If there is user of these products, please share your experience with
us.

Contact:
Publishers Data Service Corporation
Tel: [phone]   Fax: [phone]

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 20:26:26 SET
From: Lode Goukens <emory!FPSW.UFSIA.AC.BE!PS890866>
Subject: PENPM, Kaleida, PENMAC, CIC?
To: [e-mail]!hearn.BITNET, [e-mail]

Hello,

Philips sais it is negotiating with Kaleida to enter, but at IBM nobody could s
ay anything about it.  Something heard over the Atlantic?

I saw a short wire anouncing PenMac in Japan.  Has anybody seen the original st
atement?  Two names are mentioned: CIC (the cursive engine) and Apple.
Any suggestions about who at which e-mail address to contact?  Press Releases?

Anybody heard of betatesters for PenPM?  NEC Ultralite 486SL portables with col
or LCD-screen should support pen computing (digitiser in the lcd-screen).  Soun
ds great isn't?

Thanks in advance,
Lode Goukens
lode.goukens at sp1.y-net.be

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 17:55:34 +0100 (MET)
From: emory!math.fu-berlin.de!guckes (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Personal CD-ROMs?
To: [e-mail]

Well, is there such a service that does data archiving from your floppies ?

Sven :)

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 22:44:00 CST
From: [e-mail] (Edward Floden)
Subject: Personal CD-ROMs?
Having a large (>600 disks, and rising) collection of software, a hard
drive that's not large enough to hold it all, and a CD-ROM drive that could
solve the problem, I'd like to know: does anyone have a service where
they'd copy all of my floppies onto a single CD-ROM, just so I can get rid
of this mountain of disks?

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 93 20:07:24 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Personal CD-ROMs?
emory!math.fu-berlin.de!guckes writes:

> Well, is there such a service that does data archiving from your floppies ?
>
> Sven :)
>
> From comp.sys.mac.digest Sat Mar  6 17:51:51 1993
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 22:44:00 CST
> From: [e-mail] (Edward Floden)
> Subject: Personal CD-ROMs?
>
> Having a large (>600 disks, and rising) collection of software, a hard
> drive that's not large enough to hold it all, and a CD-ROM drive that could
> solve the problem, I'd like to know: does anyone have a service where
> they'd copy all of my floppies onto a single CD-ROM, just so I can get rid
> of this mountain of disks?


Of course there is. Many one-off CD-ROM shops will transfer the files
from diskettes. For a fee, of course.

e.g. From the One-Off CD Shop in Huntsville, Alabama price list...

Data transfer charges
---------------------
  Qty of diskettes
   1      Free (such a deal)
   2-15   0.60 each
   16-49  0.50 each
   50-249 0.40 each

They will even arrange directories and lay out Mac Finder directories
as specified at $ 75 per hour!

Kind of gets expensive to do it this way, though. Better to invest in a
tape drive. The same shop will accept Mac tapes archived with Retrospect
with a catalog file on a diskette. Anyone who can afford a cd-rom drive
can afford a tape drive too. :-)

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 12:39:46 CST
From: emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie (David Clunie)
Subject: PhotoCD transfer labs for FAQ
To: [e-mail]

I am putting together an FAQ list of PhotoCD transfer stuff
and want to have a list of labs worldwide that will perform
this service (other than your local Kodak photfinisher who
just sends them off to Kodak, if they provide that service in
your part of the world).

Ideally I would like to have in the list one or more in each of
the US states, the UK, most western european nations, and
Australia and New Zealand, as well as any others you can think
of.

So would anyone who has used such a service let me know ? Or
if you see an ad in the local paper or have a phone book
handy :)

---
David A. Clunie ([e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 16:06:18 PST
From: emory!inference.com!hubbard (Bruce D. Hubbard)
Subject: PhotoCD transfer labs for FAQ
To: [e-mail]

I don't have the stuff at hand to be specific, so here is
a vague reply.  I have been told that there is a place in
Hollywood (CA) called ZZYZX that does high quality PhotoCD
scans.  If I can verify the name or get more info, I'll
let you know.

Actually - why won'y Kodak provide such a list - they
should know who has bought the equipment, after all.

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 15:59:15  gmt
From: emory!chaz.demon.co.uk!ashley (Charles Ashley)
Subject: PhotoCD transfer labs for FAQ
To: [e-mail]

In article <9303110006.AA23159@quaestor> you write:
>I don't have the stuff at hand to be specific, so here is
>a vague reply.  I have been told that there is a place in
>Hollywood (CA) called ZZYZX that does high quality PhotoCD
>scans.  If I can verify the name or get more info, I'll
>let you know.
>
>Actually - why won'y Kodak provide such a list - they
>should know who has bought the equipment, after all.
>

Why don't you ask Kodak themselves:  [e-mail]

Good luck!
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 93 07:34:12 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Premastering Software compared
News from the grapevine:

Look for an article comparing the various CD Premastering software
in the upcoming 5/93 issue of CD-Rom Professional Magazine.

CD-Rom Professional
462 Danbury Road
Wilton, CT 06897-2126

On other news, Dr Ash Pahwa of CD-Rom Strategies (who gave me the above
news), has written a book on CD-R. This book is shipped with the CD.GEN
software too. I don't know if the book is available through booksellers.

If I get a copy, I will post a review of the book. If any of you has
heard of the book or have a copy, please post a review of the book.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 16:07:28 PST
From: emory!huey.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!brad (Brad Hines)
Subject: RFD: comp.cdrom.pub.{hardware,software,multimedia}
To: [e-mail]

> Hello,
> I already read a few times announcements of newsgroups.  What is a newsgroup an
> d how does one participate?
> Is it similar to a list?
> Do you need telnet or ftp on Internet?
> Where are there lists of newsgroups?
> Thanks in advance,
> Lode

I just had a query about netnews here in my group that I answered just
yesterday, so I'll just include my previous reply here.  Hopefully it
will be of some use.

----------------

Your query about network news eventually made its way to me.  First,
just some terminology in case you're not familiar.  The Internet is a
set of interconnected networks, with the connections always in place,
so that you can telnet, rlogin, finger, etc. between sites.  The Usenet
is a more loosely connected network that links to or encompasses the
Internet depending on your point of view.  Usenet hosts can use any of
a number of different means to talk to each other; traditionally,
Usenet hosts dialed up one another at fixed times of the day to
exchange mail and news.  These days, Usenet links may take other
forms.

Network News began on the Usenet, but people have invented things like
NNTP (network-to-network news protocol) that make for easy transfer of
news across the Internet.  Whether or not an individual site supports
NNTP and newsreading is up to the local system administrator.  Most
systems as shipped from the vendor do not support network news, and the
local system administrator must install it.

The machine that carries the news is called the "news server".  People
from any number of different machines (news clients) may read news on
the news server.  Software must be installed in order for a machine to
be either a news server or a news client; these functions are not
available as the machine comes out of the box.

If you are already able to read news at your current site, then your
machine is a news client already and is connecting to some news
server.  Presumably you use some program like rn, xrn, or emacs with
the -gnus option to read the news.  If these programs are not
available, one is needed in order to read the news.  These programs all
have posting capability included, as well.  Usually you just press P or
click the mouse on the right spot or the like to post a message to a
newsgroup.  The particulars will be on the manual page for the
news-reading application (just type "man rn", for example, at a command
prompt, if you are not familiar with this - assuming you are on a Unix
system).  Once you post, your message will begin to propagate from news
site to news site around the world, where people will then have the
opportunity to read it.

Hopefully this was the right amount of detail for you.  Let me know
if there's any more information you need.


--Brad

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 93 21:06:17 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: The February archive is now available
Thanks for the feedback on the archive issue. Many of you indicated
that you would like to have a monthly archive available in a digest
format.

While the traffic is light, I thought I will get on with the job.
The February archive is now available for ordering from the Mail-server.
The digest is available in plain text as well as compressed in zoo (v2.1)
or PKZip (V 1.1) format. The text file is in MsDos flavor. i.e. CR/LF as
the newline character(s). I am sure that unixers can filter the
offending CR out rather easily.

Send the following command to: [e-mail]

GET CDPUB/DIGEST/CDP9301.ZOO UUENCODE
                or
GET CDPUB/DIGEST/CDP9301.ZIP UUENCODE
                or
GET CDPUB/DIGEST/CDP9301.DIG

The last example gets you the text (uncompressed) version. Case is
not significant (upper/lower/mixed cases mean the same thing).

Bob Bruce (of Walnut Creek CD-ROM fame) has offered to place these archives
on his ftp site, <cdrom.com>. These digests will therefore be available
for ftp from cdrom.com, which is fast becoming the site to get great
information on cd-rom technology.

New subscribers will be automatically sent the last month's digest so
that they can follow the threads.

Please let me have your comments.

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Date: 4 Mar 93 19:00:06 EDT
From: "Sommer Sharp"  <emory!vetmed1.vetmed.ufl.edu!SOS>
Subject: The ultimate system
To: [e-mail]

I am very new to the CD-ROM mastering arena.  I work for the College
of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Florida.  We have decided
to use multi-media presentations in our classrooms and to master CD-
ROM disks with computer generated graphs and some full-motion video.
My problem is that after reading the different literature sent to me
by various manufactures, I am more confused than when I started this
project.

Here is what we wish to do:

Take PC-based computer generated graphs and slides and full-motion
video and put the information on CD-ROM.  We wish to use the XA
format.  The actual computer we wish to use with be a 486 DX2 50 mHz
machine with a 1.2 gb hard drive and 8 mb of RAM.

We wish to create a CD-ROM disk that we can then put in a reader and
play.  We do not want to pre-master the data and ship it off
somewhere.

I haven't any idea which mastering hardware/software we should use
that will do everything we want it to do, or what features we could
give up and still get a viable product.

Any suggestions/solutions from the Collective would be greatly
appreciated.Sommer S. Sharp
College of Veterinary Medicine
University of Florida
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 93 10:27:33 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: The ultimate system
emory!vetmed1.vetmed.ufl.edu!SOS writes:

> I am very new to the CD-ROM mastering arena.  I work for the College
> of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Florida.  We have decided
> to use multi-media presentations in our classrooms and to master CD-
> ROM disks with computer generated graphs and some full-motion video.
> My problem is that after reading the different literature sent to me
> by various manufactures, I am more confused than when I started this
> project.
>
Join the club! We are all confused. :-)

> Here is what we wish to do:
>
> Take PC-based computer generated graphs and slides and full-motion
> video and put the information on CD-ROM.  We wish to use the XA
> format.  The actual computer we wish to use with be a 486 DX2 50 mHz
> machine with a 1.2 gb hard drive and 8 mb of RAM.

No problemo about the computer generated graphs and slides. FMV is a
can of  worms. If you are already using some sort of digitized FMV
based on hard disk and just wish to move it to the CD-ROM, again
there is no problem. Provided your FMV player can live with the 150kb
throughput for the normal readers or 300kb per sec for the newer double
speed readers. Need more details on how you propose to do FMV capture/play
before someone can suggest something and indicate problems...

Also I do not understand the need for XA. Unless your slides are photoCD
and you want to use the Kodak formats and not translate them to tiff or
other PC formats for easy manipulation or you wish to have multichannel
ADPCM audio conforming to the CD-I/XA standards.... You are going to need
XA readers in all workstations playing the CD-Rom. For the type of
applications you described, I do not really see the need for XA. Perhaps
you can expand on your needs for XA format. Maybe I am missing something
here.

>
> We wish to create a CD-ROM disk that we can then put in a reader and
> play.  We do not want to pre-master the data and ship it off
> somewhere.

You still need to premaster the data to write to the CD-R. So you do need
some sort of ISO-9660 formatter software.

>
> I haven't any idea which mastering hardware/software we should use
> that will do everything we want it to do, or what features we could
> give up and still get a viable product.
>

Since you already have info from various vendors, let us not repeat them
over here. Let me talk about my favorites.

Since you have 486 PC with 1.2 GB, you are in good shape for using that
as the mastering platform.

For the PC Platform, right now there are three popular CD Recorders.

(1) JVC Personal RomMaker
(2) Sony CDW-900E
(3) Philips CDD521 (also marketed by Kodak under their label)

My own preference is the Philips CDD521 - priced around $6000. Does
Double Speed recording. Can do XA and CD-DA etc. Interfacing is via the
standard SCSI bus. Adaptec 1542B highly recommended as the interface card.
If your 1.2GB drive is a SCSI device and you do not have an Adaptec card,
I strongly recommend you add an additional 1542b (or 1542C now, I guess).
Having the SCSI bus to itself, helps the drive a lot.

The Philips is usually sold with a premastering software called
CD-Write. If this is a separately priced item, give it a big miss and
save your money. _NOT RECOMMENDED_....

Of all the premastering software packages (my knowledge is restricted to
the OMI Topix, DataWare CD Record and CD-ROM Strategies CD.GEN). The real
contenders are Topix and CD.GEN, as CD Record is just a shade better than
CD-Write.

OMI is very strong in Macs. If I were using the Mac platform, I would have
gone with them and got their mac and pc software. But for PCs, I have decided
to go with CD.GEN.

CD.GEN is feature rich. It can write to CD-R without writing an image. Or
it can generate an image, which is then written to the CD-R media. (CD.GEN
currently supports the Philips and Sony units). Two features of the software
can be useful to you as they are to me.

(1) One can get into the ISO-9660 or CD-R image and edit stuff
(2) One can use the image to simulate the CD-Rom before actually burning
    the CD-R

Other features which decided for me are: ability to do CD-DA from PCM files
and create mixed mode CD-Rom, ability to override ISO-9660 restrictions
in directory levels, character set etc.. (this may be convenient if you
do not intend to publish and need comformity to ISO-9660)

The only thing CD.GEN does not do is CD-Rom XA. (Upgrade forthcoming in
the near future).

My ideal system:

486 PC with 8MB [running MsDos 5.0 or later. I am running Dos 6.0Beta now]
300MB Disk (OS, utilities, cd mastering software, retrieval/authoring software)
1.2GB Disk (for CD Image or to create a Dos directory tree for publishing)
Toshiba 3401 CDROM Drive
TurtleBeach MultiSound [or similar high end audio board for CD-DA]
Exabyte Tape/Or DAT tape drive for importing/exporting publishing contents
Philips CDD521/10

Adaptec 1542b #1 : connected to HD1, HD 2, CD-Rom, DAT Tape drive [ASPI]
Adaptec 1542b #2 : connected just to the Philips CDD-521

Premastering software: CD.GEN for PC
Retrieval/indexing/authoring: [As needed]

Personally I prefer the above set-up to generate the CD-Rs. Ideal
scenario for me would be to get appropriate ISO-9660 image makers
running on Macs and Unix machines and physically move the image to
the burning station to create the CD-R.

CD-Rs that need to run on multiple platforms require some more work
and beyond the scope of this article.

Hope this gets some good discussions started.


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 22:08:06 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: what about Kodak?
emory!sector.Kodak.COM!tgl writes:

> At the present time, the Photo CD format is proprietary. Kodak does not
> sell software to write discs in Photo CD format, except as part of the
> Photo CD Imaging Workstation which is sold to photofinishers. That's
> quite an expensive product (it includes a Sun workstation, a film scanner,
> and the PCD 200 CD writer). I've heard rumors that Kodak may license
> software to write Photo CDs to government agencies and other organizations
> which have a need to write large numbers of Photo CDs, but I don't know
> if this is the case.
>
There has been much discussion about the wisdom of this policy. But
considering that the various formats of PhotoCD make sense only in the
context of scanned high res images, this may not be too much of a
problem. But it sure would be kind of nice to be able to translate
images the other way i.e. from TIFF, PCX, Targa etc.. to PhotoCD formats
and write them out. But I am not holding my breath however, because
Kodak seems to be very protective of software required just for
retrieval and display of the PhotoCD images even. They may be even more so
when it comes to actually creating PhotoCD discs. Then there is the
question of audio. When XA audio needs to be added, I wonder what
Kodak's position would be.

>
> Gess Shankar responded to Michael:
>
> > My own understanding is that the Kodak product is in fact the Philips
> > CDD521 in a different color scheme.
>
> That's basically true, although the Kodak writer also has the ability to
> read the bar code which we put on our Kodak media. (We make our own media.)
> We think we can give you better support than Philips, also, particularly
> if you use our media and software.
>
Sure Kodak can give better support than Philips. But that is not saying
much. _ANYBODY_ can give better support than Philips. :-)

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 9:02:19 EST
From: emory!Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov!warnock (Archie Warnock)
Subject: what about Kodak?
To: [e-mail]

So [e-mail] sez to me:
> emory!sector.Kodak.COM!tgl writes:
>
> > At the present time, the Photo CD format is proprietary. Kodak does not
> > sell software to write discs in Photo CD format, except as part of the
> > Photo CD Imaging Workstation which is sold to photofinishers. That's
> > quite an expensive product (it includes a Sun workstation, a film scanner,
> > and the PCD 200 CD writer). I've heard rumors that Kodak may license
> > software to write Photo CDs to government agencies and other organizations
> > which have a need to write large numbers of Photo CDs, but I don't know
> > if this is the case.
> >
> There has been much discussion about the wisdom of this policy. But
> considering that the various formats of PhotoCD make sense only in the
> context of scanned high res images, this may not be too much of a
> problem. But it sure would be kind of nice to be able to translate
> images the other way i.e. from TIFF, PCX, Targa etc.. to PhotoCD formats

I had an interesting discussion with some Kodak people at the American
Astronomical Society meeting in January.  I think they may be hoping
(vainly, if I have anything to do with it) that PhotoCD will be used in
large data distribution systems like EOSDIS and NSSDC.  However, as long
as the data format is proprietary, no reputable data archive facility
will ever adopt its use.  It's simply too dangerous to hang future
access to expensive and irreplaceable data on a proprietary format.

This isn't to say that PhotoCD doesn't have its uses, or that Kodak
doesn't have legitimate commercial reasons for keeping the format
proprietary.  It's just that most of us avoid such proprietary systems
as death traps for open data.  PhotoCD probably makes a nice PR tool,
but I don't forsee widespread use by large government data archives.
_______________________________________________________________________
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-- NASA/GSFC

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Date: (null)
From: (null)
> but I don't know that for sure.) One purpose of this, as I understand, is
> to ensure that a disc which says "Photo CD" on it will actually play back
> correctly on a Photo CD player. Otherwise a potential for confusion exists
> on the part of consumers who have writable CDs recorded with images in TIFF,
> GIF, or some other format. If a disc contains pictures, and says Photo CD
> on it, a consumer would expect that disc to play on a Photo CD player.

This makes a lot of sense.

>
> Gess Shankar said:
>
> > My question is: Is the Disc Application Code prewritten in all Kodak
> > CD-R media? Or can one buy Kodak media separately for "Unrestricted Use"?
>
> I hope I made this clear above, but I'll state it again. Kodak makes two
> kinds of media. Photo CDs have the Disc Application Code set to Restricted
> Use, Special Purpose. They are sold to photo finishers only. Writable CDs
> have this code set for Unrestricted Use. They are sold to anyone, usually
> through resellers.
>
This explains the distinction between a PhotoCD CD-R and an 'Unrestricted
Use' CD-R media from Kodak. But I am wondering why dataDisc claims that
the Kodak brank CD-R media will work only with Philips and Kodak recorders.
They recommend other media for JVC, Sony et al. I have to assume that
they are offering the 'Unrestricted use' kind, as they are resellers.
Also can you or someone else from Kodak give us the part numbers or
catalog numbers or other identifying code for these two types of media
from Kodak?

> [e-mail]
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a Kodak spokesperson. I'm just telling you what I know.
>
Thank you for not being a Kodak spokesperson. :-) Even more thanks for
telling is what you know, which is considerably more than what I know. :-)

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 22:41:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Intermedia Show in California
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: <[e-mail]> (Gess Shankar)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 21:10:54 EST
In-Reply-To: <9303160002.AA01986@britt>
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie writes:

> > I hear that some new products for CD-R and CD-Rom publishing are going
> > to announced/introduced at Intermedia, which is during last week of March/
> > first week of April, 93.
>
> Where is Intermedia being held ? I will be in SF for SMRI at that time
> and might drop in if I can.
>
David,

Intermedia is from March 30-April 1 at San Jose Convention Center,
San Jose, CA.

Further details can be had from Reed Exhibition Group, Stamford, CT
Phone: [phone]  Fax: [phone].

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 11:17:30 EST
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
emory!UNI-BOCCONI.IT!S551580 writes:

> I'm new in the list and I would like to know some information about
> Philips CDD-521 :
> 1. how does it work with OS/2 2.0 and with 2.1 beta
> 2. his performances
> 3. his retail price
> and so on
>
> -Pietro-
>
(1) Currently there are _NO_ drivers for OS/2 as far as the CDD521 is
    concerned. When I talked to IBM, the person responsible for CDRom
    drivers did NOT even know that the CDD521 is a SCSI device. He
    brightened up considerably on hearing that it is a scsi device.

    CDRom drivers with 'Write' support may be forthcoming from IBM soon.
    (I hope).

    I am going to attempt to use the CDD521 as a reader and see if I
    can read CD-Roms using the native drivers that come with the 2.1beta.
    The CDD521 is normally supplied with the Adaptec 1542b. So I do not
    anticipate any problems talking to the Philips unit.

(2) For writing purposes, the CDD521 will perform pretty much the same.
    The drive requires continuous access to the SCSI bus and 300kb+
    data rate has to be maintained to keep the buffers filled and the
    disc writing. Under OS/2, probably some sort of prioritizing will
    have to be done to keep this going.

(3) CDD521 retails for around $6000-$6500 in the USA. Don't know about
    prices where you are.

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 09:55:28 SET
From: Pietro Mauri <emory!UNI-BOCCONI.IT!S551580>
To: [e-mail]

I'm new in the list and I would like to know some information about
Philips CDD-521 :
1. how does it work with OS/2 2.0 and with 2.1 beta
2. his performances
3. his retail price
and so on

-Pietro-

Pietro Mauri
Viale Lecco 77
22100 Como
[e-mail]

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