›› >>>>>>>>>>>>>****<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ››MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 1991 MEETING.›--------------------------------------›››GENERAL MEETING:››PAUL  PLANTS, a member of WACO, called›ALEX  and  asked  for  a  list of club›members   names   and   addesses   and›explained  the purpose of the list was›to build an 8 bit user base. It is not›to  be used commercially or given out.›As  requested,  ALAN  SHARKIS  wrote a›letter  to PAUL PLANTS, and mailed our›membership list but he did not include›all our telephone numbers.››CORRESPONDENCE:››STAN   SCHENFELD   responded  to  JOHN›JOHNSON's   letter.   JOHN  is  a  new›member, and he wanted to know if there›are  reduced  dues  for  out  of  town›members.  The answer is no. The reason›is,  it  costs us more for out of town›members  because  we  have to mail the›newsletter  disk,  and sometimes other›material   to  them.  (NOTE:  Cost  of›postage  went  up,  and  the dues were›recently  lowered from $30.00 per year›to $24.00).››As requested, a letter was sent to JOE›WATERS editor of CURRENT NOTES by STAN›SCHENFELD.  He  inquired if there is a›special   discount   for   clubs,  and›members.››We received a letter from our SYRACUSE›member, TOM ANDREWS. He thanked us for›the  money award OL' HACKERS sent him.›He  said  he  was surprised to get the›SHAREWARE   AWARD.  He  said  he  will›invest  his award in a subscription to›CURRENT NOTES. A good example of a way›to  help  build  a  heavy 8 BIT reader›base, by subscribing to C.N..››From  our  ENGLISH member, JIM CUTLER.›He  received  our 2 packages of disks.›He  sent us 3 packages of 4 disks each›for  our  club library. He read in our›NEWSLETTER reviews column about HOW TO›CONVERT  ATARI LANGUAGE TAPES TO DISK.›It was reviewed by ALAN SHARKIS from a›FRANTIC  newsletter.  He  asked  for a›photo   copy   of  the  article.  ALAN›promised to mail it to him.››ALEX   wrote   to   our   member,  BEN›POEHLAND,  8  BIT  editor  of  CURRENT›NOTES  magazine,  and pointed out that›you   can   learn   a  great  deal  of›programming   when   you   type  in  a›program.  It  would  be  great if C.N.›would  have  a  type in section and it›would  increase  the 8-Bit readership.›ALEX   also   pointed   out  that  the›articles should be flagged as to ST or›8-Bit  in  order  to make the magazine›more  useful. ALEX also sent BEN the 3›disk set of the PROGRAMMING KIT by RON›FETZER of the OL' HACKERS.››BEN  POEHLAND  responded. He will send›the  magazines  for  HORST  DE WITZ to›take  to Germany. He also said that he›prepared  a  ceremonial  address to be›read  to the BIT BYTERS in Germany, at›their  annual  meeting.  BEN writes us›that there is a rumor that the CHICAGO›ATARI  SHOW  may  be  canceled  due to›ATARI  CORP'S  seeming  lack of follow›up.  BOB BRODIE the rep. for ATARI has›not  answered  his  E-MAIL  for  three›months.   This   does  not  look  very›promising. He said that ALEX'S idea of›type  in  software  in  each  issue of›CURRENT  NOTES,  sounded  good  and he›will  discuss  it  with the editor. He›tells  us  about  2  programs  from an›outfit  in  N.J.  called CHROMA CAD an›incredible  3-D  VIDEO  COLOR GRAPHICS›GENERATOR for the XL and XE computers.›The  manuals  are beautifully  written›but  there  are no printer drivers for›your  creation.  You  have  to send it›back  to  the  company  for  it  to be›printed.   They   are   working  on  a›modification.  BEN asked if we knew ED›HALL  from  CANADA. ALEX wrote that he›knows  of ED HALL. We had wanted ED to›join us, but FRANTIC got him first. If›ED  pays  the  club  dues of $24.00 we›would  be  glad  to welcome him to the›OL'  HACKERS  as a full member, and he›would   get   the   benefit  of  lower›subscription to CN. ›ALEX  also  told BEN that he contacted›HORST  about  the C.N. magazines he is›to bring to BIT BYTER W. Germany to be›put  in  their  lending  library. They›currently have over 800 8 BIT members.›MORE POWER FOR THE 8 BIT!››ALEX wrote to our member HADJILA N. in›Algeria,  AFRICA  (a  first) informing›him that he is accepted as a member of›our  club  until the end of this year.›We  returned his Algerian money. If he›wants  to remain a member then he will›have to send us international currency›for his 1992 dues.›››COMMENTS:››ALEX  spoke up as the Co-Editor of the›newsletter.  As  such,  he  and CARLOS›HURTADO  must  have  the right to make›changes in articles that are submitted›to  them, within their own discretion.›The members agreed with that.››ALEX  said  he  will  print  up  a 100›copies of our letterhead for us to use›in correspondance.››We  discussed further future AWARDS to›SHAREWARE  AUTHORS.  The next award is›to be given in January, 1992.››THE  BOSTON  COMPUTER SOCIETY selected›RON  FETZER'S  PROGRAMMING  KIT as the›Disk of the Month. The BCS is very big›and  they  cover all computer. It is a›feather in the both RON FETZER and OL'›HACKERS  cap's  to have been selected.›RON  has  gotten  much  well  deserved›recognition  from  all  over  for  his›great job on TURBO BASIC.››ATARI  EXPLORER  offered us a discount›subscription program of only $9.95 for›club  members.  ALAN SHARKIS said that›A.E.  wrote  about a guy who creates 8›BIT  educational programs using PD and›shareware.  HAROLD  PEGLER said recent›issues  had  had  very  little for the›8-Bit  computer,  but there were two 8›BIT  articles  in  the latest issue. A›good  sign  that  they  recognize that›there  is  a big 8 BIT base out there.›We  are  getting  a free  subscription›for  the  club,  and  will  watch  the›direction of the mag.››ITEM:››ALAN  SHARKIS announced he will have a›mini  meeting in his house on Saturday›Nov.  16  at  1:30 PM. Please let ALAN›know if you are coming by giving him a›call  a  few days before. He will show›what the SIO2-PC can do. ALAN lives in›East  Meadow at 43 Rose Drive. He will›give  us instructions on how to get to›his  house.  He  said,  NEWSDAY'S  BBS›started  to  worry  about sales tax on›software  that is downloaded. This has›been  resolved by JIM HARRIS, Sysop of›LIAUG's   NEW   NEST   BBS  (at  (516)›234-4943),  who  contacted  I.R.S. and›received    the   publication,   which›clearly says taxes are due if programs›are SOLD, not if they are uploaded, or›downloaded. So relax folks!››RECEIVED:››We  received  2  disks  from  JOHN  MC›GOWAN, St. Louis. Disk #1 has a lot of›programs  in  arced form. It has a lot›of utilities, games and DOC. files. It›is  really  a  loaded  disk.  JOHN  MC›GOWAN's  disk NO 2. It has DDII and NX›10, TEXPRO FONT LOADER, MAILMERGE,FILE›SEARCH,  CODESMITH  II,  FILELOAD, MAX›LOAD,  TP  4.54C  COM  (NEWEST TEXTPRO›VERSION),    PSDDIII   (PRINTSHOP   ->›DAISYDOT). They are all in arced form.›You  will  end  up  with several disks›when  you unarc both of them. LOADS OF›INFORMATION,  UTILITIES, etc. Get them›for your library!››We  have  a  disk  from CLUB CENEGAL -›GRAPH   MASTER.(for   1029  PRINTER  -›written  in  French).  It takes up the›whole side of the disk.››We  have  the  SEPTEMBER  AIM magazine›disk.  It  has  a  a   couple of bible›games on it and a Paint utility and PS›utility.  Both  sides  of the disk are›full,  and  they are also all in arced›form. Another loaded disk value!››BIT  BYTER  disk  called MAGIC PLAYER.›HORST  in the last newsletter explains›what  it does. It is loaded with music›files. Side two has games on it. It is›a German disk.››A  disk  from JACG, New Jersey, (BATCH›#5) - all games disk. It is going into›the library.››NOTE:›An  order form program for ordering PD›disks  will be on the next newsletter.›You  type  in  your order and print it›out  and send it to HAROLD PEGLER, our›librarian. His address is on the order›form.›››DEMONSTRATIONS:››ALEX,   thinking   that   he   had  no›volunteers  for  demo's,  proceeded to›show  us some he thought we would like›to  have. (He forgot about RON's demo,›and  HAROLDS  was unexpected, but BOTH›WERE VERY WELCOME! See below.)››ALEX  demonstrated the 850 EXPRESS, so›that  the new modem members can decide›which terminal progrem they like.››Then   he  demonstrated  his  ENVELOPE›PROGRAM  that allows you to print your›address  and addressee on a regular or›business envelope.››He   next   demonstrated  his  heavily›modified  DISK  LISTING  PROGRAM  that›list  your  disk directory as you boot›up.  It  lists the directory as a text›file  on  your Ram Disk. You can chain›several  disk  directories together as›one  file  and save it as a text file.›Then  manipulate  it via your own word›processor.››ALEX  demonstrated  a  modification to›RON FETZER'S DOC PRINT PRO program. He›made  several  mods for different disk›drives   and   printout   choices.  He›created  a  terrific  title screen. He›created   a   second  disk  with  more›changes on it. ALEX said the last mod.›was  made  on  9/9/91 just before this›meeting,  and  it  will  go  into  the›library.  Will it ever end? Who knows?›Ask ALEX!››He demonstrated "HAPPY.BAS", a program›that  modifies  the HAPPY SOFTWARE 7.1›SECTOR COPIER so it will be compatible›with   most   256K   compatible  XE/XL›upgrades.››LABEL  MASTER was next shown by him. A›good label program.››He  showed a mod. to a program that he›did,  that  shows  if the programs are›protected or not protected. It is only›8 sectors long.››He then showed us another program that›prints  out a THANK YOU NOTE with your›name  etc.  You  just  put insert your›name,  and the program then prints out›a very nice THANK YOU note.››Continuing,  he also demonstrated BOOT›DIRECTORY.  A great program that shows›your disk directory upon disk start up›time.  It  works  with  DOS 2.0 or 2.5›types.   It  writes  a  short  machine›language  routine  into  sector  3 and›modifies   your   DOS   to   show  the›directory     automatically    without›disturbing  the  DOS, or using memory.›It  is  a terrific program that should›be on all your DOS 2 disks.››We   then   saw   a  program  to  make›CHRISTMAS   WRAPPING   PAPER  on  your›printer. You better get this one soon!›It is a good program.››We  next saw a French Disk. It had the›title  screens  of  various commercial›programs  run  as  a continues picture›display.  It  has  a  very neat loader›that  you  could  use  with  any other›program.››We  saw "POKEY NEWSLETTER, #1". It was›their 1st newsletter. A very nice job.›Congratulations!  We would hope more 8›BIT  clubs  would follow suit and make›DISK NEWSLETTERS! ››After  all  the above demos, ALEX said›that these programs are all going into›our library, so look for them.››After  coffee  and cake, HAROLD PEGLER›then  stepped  up  and demoed a PAGE 6›program   called  HEALTHY  EATING.  It›shows  you  various  menues etc. It is›completely  documented. It is a double›sided disk.››HAROLD  also demonstrated a calculator›program  and an investment program. It›comes  from  an English user group. It›also   has   an   electronic   circuit›program.  Nice work! The other side is›from  Poland  and  it  is called LOGOS›MAKER.   It   allows   you  to  insert›graphics   into   a   text   file   or›wordprocessing   file.   It  is  fully›documented. A great program to get. It›will  be  #150  in  the  library. Both›disks  were  sent to us by our ENGLISH›member JIM CUTLER.››RON    FETZER   then   did   a   great›presentation  on ARRAYS and MATRIX. He›demonstrated how an array is assembled›by  showing how different invoices can›all  be  stored  in a single array. If›you  are  going  to do any sorting you›must  be  able  to write an array. RON›demonstrated  a  two dimensional array›or  a  matrix.  He used a bowling team›and their bowling scores, as examples.›A  matrix is used when the information›position is important, such as the 2nd›game  is  250  etc.  RON  gave a short›brochure  to each member on arrays and›matrix.   The  presentation  was  much›enjoyed  by  the  club,  and up to his›usual high standards.››DOOR PRIZES:››1ST  PRIZE  MICHAEL  BRYANT. 2ND PRIZE›ALAN  SHARKIS. 3D PRIZE JOE LEBER. 4TH›PRIZE   RON  FETZER.  5TH  PRIZE  JACK›GEDALIUS.  6TH  PRIZE  STAN SCHENFELD.›7TH  PRIZE  HAROLD PEGLER. What, HARRY›TUTHILL's  number  didn't  come  up???›Sorry  Harry  you got lucked out - and›it  was  legitimate  this time. We ran›the program 3 times and HARRY'S number›came  out last the first two times out›of  3 times. The gods were against you›HARRY!››We  would  like to thank HARRY TUTHILL›for  the fine coffee and HAROLD PEGLER›for  the  great  cake. Without this we›could not function through a five hour›meeting!››This  was,  without  a  doubt,  a very›instructive  meeting,  enjoyed by all,›and we went 1/2 hour overtime.››Submitted by:››                          Ron Fetzer››>>>>>>>>>>>>>>END<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<››                                  ›