MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 1992 MEETING› ====================================›› NEWEST MEMBER››      LOU TRAPANI joined our club. LOU› is  the  SYSOP  of  our  local BBS in› Oceanside.  The  BBS  is  called  THE› MACHINE and the number is (516)  764-› 5748.  The  BBS  is  networked with a› NATIONWIDE net, including CANADA. LOU› works on Saturdays so we will not see› much of him at our meetings but  call› him  up  on  the  BBS  and go to CHAT› (Press C) and say Hello.›› CORRESPONDENCE:››       AIM   wrote  to  the  club  and› reminded us that we had to renew  our› subscriptions.  It  has  already been› done by the Treasurer.›      A letter from JOHN  JOHNSON  our› member  from Oregon. He tells us that› he is getting  more  information  and› programs  from us then from the clubs› in Oregon. He sent us 2  great games.› One  was  "MARIO'S  DESERT WORLD" and› the other was "TETRUS 3D". They  will› be  in  the library. See under DEMOES› further discussions on  these  games.› We  discussed  what  the rights of an› author is when he has submitted works› to  a  magazine  which  is now out of› business. Without research we have no› idea what the legal status is. Analog› and Antic disks are being  listed  by› clubs all over in their PD libraries.› THE OL'HACKERS has not put any Analog› or  Antic  disks  in  our  PD library› because we are very cautious, perhaps› overly so.›      A  letter  from HAROLD PEGLER to› PATRICK   HAYES,   WILL   ROTH,  DANE› STEGMAN and CURT VENDEL. He sent them› each  the latest version of the OHAUG› LIBRARY DISK. He told them about  our› DISK  SPECIAL  for Non-local members.› You can get 5 disks for $8.00.  These› are  double  sided  disks.  The price› includes  mailing.  If  you  want  to› avail yourself of  this  special  you› can  send HAROLD your selection. Make› the  check  payable  to  RON  FETZER,› personally.   HAROLD   also   sent  a› similar letter to all our members  in› England.  HAROLD  does a terrific job› with the library. This is one of  the› reasons  the  OL'  HACKERS   are   so› successful.›      AL  SHARKIS our member from East› Meadow received a  letter  from  DAVE› EWENS  our English member. He said he› would not change his  8-Bit  computer› fo anything. He and the other 3 OL' H› members have decided to  start  their› own    printed    newsletter.     The› OL'HACKERS  gave  them  permission to› use  anything  from  our  newsletters› provided we and the  author  received› credit for it.›      ALEX  read a thank you note from› the FETZER family for the condolences› that  the  club  sent  upon the death› from   Alzheimers  decease  of  RON'S› stepfather.       JOSEPH  HICSWA  our› member from N.J.› informs us that he  will  be  running› for   president  of  JACG.  Good LUCK› JOE! He tells us that he is impressed› by  the  newsletter.  He particularly› complemented   HAROLD   PEGLER    our› librarian for a great job.›      A message from  BEN POEHLAND our› member from PA. to ALEX via  GEnie  .› He  said  that after the WACE fest he› shipped all the mailing labels to the› publisher  for distribution of the AC› magazine. The magazine were sent  out› by  the  bulk mailer the last week of› October. Most 8-Biters will have  the› magazine by the middle of November.›      JIM  CUTLER  our   member   from› England wrote to ALEX and said he has› a friend in France who might join. We› sent  him   a  sample  newsletter and› some other published  material  about› the club.›      JIM  also writes that he got the› newsletter disk. He made a  copy  and› sent  it  to  his  friend  STEFAN  in› MOSCOW.  The  8-bitter in Moscow uses› 65XE, a XF551 and  a  Epson  printer.› JIM  is  now  on  COMPUSERVE.  JIM is› getting his 800XL upgraded  to  256K.› Seems that we are really going around› te world.››      DALE WOOSTER, President of NWPAC› (NORTH  WESTERN  PHOENIX  ATARI CLUB)› said they made a DISK  OF  THE  MONTH› from some of the bonus programs from › our   newsletters.   THATS  QUITE  AN› HONOR, and we THANK YOU.›      › DISCUSSIONS:››      LOU TRAPANI is the SYSOP of  the› local  BBS  "THE  MACHINE"  (516)764-› 5748.  The   BBS   is   located    in› Oceanside  so  it is a local call for› most   of   us.   ALEX,  HARRY,  ALAN› SHARKIS, ALAN ATKINS and  RON  FETZER› have been on the BBS. When you log on› be   prepared   to  create  your  own› PASSWORD. When  you  log  off  answer› "YES"  to  save  your  password.  The› normal  use  time  is 30 minutes. The› upload   to   download   ratio  is  7› downloads to 1 upload, for OL' HACKER› members.  Here  are   some   of   the› commands  you  can use: R=READ; L=LOG› OFF; A=ALL; N=NEW;  B=BROWSE;  C=CHAT› WITH  SYSOP;  F=FEEDBACK TO SYSOP; GO› ATARI8=8  BIT  SECTION;  !=HELP.  You› will receive an I.D. number, be  sure› to  save it when asked. You will need› it to log on again.›      How to go on the BBS  the  first› time.  When  the screen comes on your› computer press RETURN. Then  it  asks› for  I.D. number and password. If you› don't have any it will ask  for  your› name,  address, and telephone number.› If you are an OL'HACKER  please  tell› the  SYSOP.  When  you  log  on again› after the General Discussion  prompt,› type  the  letter  "R"  for read. The› screen scrolls and then  "NEW"  comes› on.  It is a default that if you want› to see the new messages it will  show› it.  "A"  will  give  you   all   the› messages. When you read a message and› you want  to  respond  type  "R"  for› response.  When  you   are   finished› reading the messages you can type "GO› ATARI8" and you will go to  the  8  -›  BIT  SIG. CNTL G will print the word› "GO" which you can also use. When you› are  n  the 8-BIT section you hit "R"› again to read. It is the same as  the› General  Discussion section. When you› want to upload a  file  hit  the  ">"› sign. It will first ask you for a one› line description of the program. Then› it  will  ask you for KEYWORDS of the› program, such as Utility,  Game  etc.› After  this  you  would  set  up your› modem parameter. Then it will ask you› for  a 1 paragraph description of the› program.›      When  you  want  to  download  a› message  hit  "B"  for browse. If you› are stuck [SHIFT & ?] will give you a› menu. When you are in the browse mode› and you want to download hit "D"  and› follow the prompts.›       ALEX   reminded   everyone   to› consider   "PLANNING  FOR  INCAPACITY› NOW!   Everyone  should  make  out  a› LIVING WILL, and  HEALTH  CARE  WILL.› Most  Secretary  OF  States  have   a› booklet  about it. If you are ill and› go to the hospital and  are  terminal› (never,  I  hope)  the  hospital will› know what to  do.  This  booklet  can› save  you  thousands  of  dollars  by› doing  it  yourself  instead  of   an› attorney  doing  it for you. EVERYONE› should have a living will made out.›› DEMOES:››      JACK GEDALIUS showed us  how  to› use  CHROMA CAD. It is a color design› program. The program comes on several› disks.  One  disk  is  to construct a› wire frame 3D picture. After that you› load  it  into the shader program and› it can then be a  full  picture.  You› can  see any angle of the object that› you drew. You can rotate it. You  can› shine  the  light  on  it  from   any› direction that you want. You can show› several pictures  at  one  time.  The› program  is  menu driven. You can set› the X, Y and Z axis anyway  you  want› to.  You  have many graphic modes you› can use. You can change the colors of› the  pictures.  It is one of the MOST› INTERESTING programs that I have ever› seen for the 8-Bit. The documentation› is   quite   extensive.   It  can  be› purchased for $29.95 from  many  mail› order  houses. It was a great demo by› JACK which required a lot of time  to› prepare.›      AL  ATKINS  said  that  the SAMS› PHOTO FACT  REPAIR  MANUALS  are  now› available in the East Meadow Library.› If you buy them they are $25.00 each.› There  are  manuals  for  130XE, 800,› 800XL, 810,  1025, 1050 and the  400.› You can copy the section you need for› less than $1.00. (See AL's article on› this newsletter for more info.)›      DALE  WOOSTER sent us some color› printouts done with  the  color  STAR› RAINBOW  printer.  They are very well› done and effective. He uses REMBRANDT› and  YEMACYB   to   print   out   the› pictures.›      CHARLES  COLE  our  member  from› Arizona  had  3  of  his  articles in› CURRENT   NOTES.  They  are  dynamite› articles. Don't miss reading them.›      ALEX  showed  us  a  POKEY  DISK› NEWSLETTER.  They  use Sparta DOS. It› is based similar  to  our  format.  A› very nice newsletter. On it they have› PSTODD3. A  very  nice  utility  that› converts  Print  Shop  Icons to Daisy› Dot III format.›      RON FETZER showed a new  program› from  AUSTRALIA   called   LETTERHEAD› MAKER.  RON  showed  some examples of› different  letterheads  that  he  and› ALEX had made with this  program.  It› is  a  very  nice  program  and  user› friendly.  You  can  draw  your   own› designs  or logos for the letterhead.› I used a track  ball  and  it  worked› very well. I found a way of importing› Print Shop  Icons  to  use  with  the› letterhead, with PSINTERFACE program.› Now LETTERHEAD MAKER is  really  very› flexible.  The   program   is   fully› documented  and is available from our› library. It is much better  than  the› PRINT SHOP VERSION of letterhead. You› can use a TRACK BALL or JOY STICKS or› the  arrow  keys.  The arrow keys are› for fine movement and exact  control.› The program also has a text function,› where you can overlay  text  on  your› graphic.  It  will  be  #231  in  the› library.  This  is  a  great  program› everyone should have! ›      ALEX  showed  his  favorite card› game which is "HEARTS". He  tells  us› that  he  has to get a fix every day.› He has to play  this  game  at  least› twice  a  day.  HEARTS is a card game› that you play against  the  computer.› It  is  very  addictive. The point of› the game is that you try to  get  the› lowest score to win. You play against› 3   computer   players.  You  need  a› joystick to  play  the  game.  The  3› computer     players     are     very› sophisticated so it is  not  easy  to› win  a  game.  The  library number is› #232.›      JOHN  JOHNSON  our  member  from› Oregon  sent  us  2  great games. RON› showed the first  game  to  the  club› called  "Mario's Desert World". Where› Mario has to jump from place to place› without  being  eaten up. A good game› for everyone.  It  has  a  number  of› levels of difficulty.›      The  next  disk  was TETRIS 3D a› new  version.  In  this  version  the› blocks come toward you and  then  you› have  to place them. This game is for› the professional  game  player.  Very› tricky  to  play.  It comes also from› JOHN JOHNSON of  Oregon.  Ask  HAROLD› for these games.›› DOOR PRIZES:›› FRANK CASTALDO› HARRY TUTHILL› ALAN SHARKIS› JACK GEDALIUS› HAROLD PEGLER› ALAN ATKINS› RON FETZER› ALAN ATKINS  --> LETTERHEAD DESIGNER› BOB ULSCHMID --> LETTERHEAD DESIGNER››      ALEX   demoed   the   M.A.G.I.C.› NEWSLETTERS  for  Sept.  1992.  These› disks  are  terrific. They have a lot› of   unique   programs    on    their› newsletter disks. ALEX showed several› programs from this disk.›      The 2nd  MA.G.I.C.  disk  had  a› super finance program on it with many› financial options.  The disk was  the› AUGUST 1992 disk.› BOTH DISKS ARE NOW IN OUR LIBRARY!›› Submitted by›                      Ron Fetzer›› >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>END<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<››