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Posted by: Simon Kongshoj ( United Threats to Democracy, Denmark ) on December 05, 1997 at 10:27:32:

In Reply to: Whats wrong with communism II posted by Mike Sprout on December 04, 1997 at 20:22:47:

: Boy did you commies get down to some furious typing after my last post. It must have set a weakly record. Could it be your all feeling a little insecure in your beliefs?

: As you admit, there has never been a succesful communist society. The flaw in your thinking is that these attempts at communism weren't the utopia you envision. Do you think they started out with the intention of failing? They started out thinking as you do, and had the inevitable result. Communism will always fail as it is human nature to try and get ahead. Always has been, always will be. There will always be someone who will sieze the opportunity to improve their position.

: By the way, rest assure that Sprout is indeed a "HE"

Actually, those 'attempts at communism' didn't even claim to be communist. They were socialist republics dedicated to keeping capitalism in the rest of the wolrd from spreading without limit, the habit of referring to them as 'communist' is a Western/American tendency because they ideologically were based on a form of Marxism.

The founders of those nations obviously didn't have the intent of failing, but it has been discussed much what the situation of the USSR would have been like if Stalin didn't assume power (after all, Lenin did warn against him and claimed that Lev Trotskij would be a better leader). Apart from the ex-Soviet Union, I can name several socialist (not communist) republics that have been run with success and truth to the ideal, for example Cuba and the former Yugoslavia (which as you may know collapsed for the two reasons that even a good ideology can't unite a group of ethnic and religious groups with such a long history of hatred by just hiding it, and the fact they were economically dependent on -again- the US.)

If you have arguments against communism, anarchism or syndicalism, feel free to present them. But only argue in theory, for none of these systems have ever existed in practice. There HAVE been forms of socialism and there still are, but communism has yet to see the light of day.


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