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maybe you could explain a system that is better?

Posted by: Bruce Willams on September 21, 1997 at 18:25:18:

In Reply to: when do you decide that someone is exaggerating? posted by Ted on September 12, 1997 at 14:53:40:

:Actually, I've probably understated it for the sake of brevity. I
:didn't mean to imply that cars are the sole cause of overcrowding,
:accidental death and pollution, but they do exacerbate those problems.
:In addition, the car itself eventually breaks down and is discarded,
:creating more problems of waste disposal. And the manufacturing:
:process required to make the car creates yet another set of problems
:with regard to resource usage and environmental destruction.

The above is brevity. Your original statement was exaggeration. The difference being that the above has brief explanations of your position, the original appeared as though you were trying to state some universally known fact, such as the earth is round.

:The problem is, when do you decide that someone is exaggerating?
When their statements are written as though they are commonly accepted facts but are not. The statement may have made sense to you, but it was not presented that way. The brief statement you made above is much more acceptable because most people would then understand your point.

:When does initial evidence of problems with technology become overwhelming evidence? I don't believe that manufacturers will stop
the production of a profitable item until they are forced to do so,
either by the government or by citizens in private litigation. By
that time, the damage is already done. Caveat emptor.

Seems like that must mean there are 2 more methods besides boycotts to stop a business that is producing harm to a society. We're up to 3 methods now.
In answer to your question about when evidence of problems becomes overwhelming; I don't believe I know a for sure answer to it. It may be very complex or it may a simple industry/society standard that requires "fixing" problems when they effect .1% of the product? Maybe .01% when there are millions of the product? What do you think?

:Some wise person recently noted that the western world is rapidly becoming one big black box emblazoned with the words "No User-Serviceable Parts Inside."

Who are you quoting?
Yes, technology has introduced a lot of 'No User-Serviceable Parts Inside', including the computer you use to express your ideas. Does it really hurt that bad? (JOKE)

:The American financial system is a house of cards, and ordinary citizens have few, if any
alternatives to it. You can start your own business, but banking is a closed club.

Banks are 1 source of capital. Investors and stocks are 2 others. Here we are back with 3 ways to get your money to start your enterprise. Don't forget family and friends that believe in you.

About buying that car. If you think its wrong then don't buy it. I guess I can't quite understand why you would even consider a job with a company that forces you to do something you really don't want to. (This is not limited to cars). If you don't believe in what they are doing, don't go to work for them. Seems simple enough. Find someone that is more to your liking and philosophy. No big deal. Do what YOU think is right. And allow me to do what I think is right. We'll both wind up a lot happier.
But never quit discussing ideas just because some else may not like what you say. That would appear to be bad for both parties.

Again, I don't believe in Utopia, so I don't think we will ever get to the FINAL system. But in the mean time maybe you could explain a system that is better?



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