: 1. The point is not that socialism is giving up what is rightfully ours, but taking back for the whole of society (To which it rightfully belongs) that which has been appropriated by a small section (About 10%)- the means of production.Are you saying, that all of the work I do, all of my sweat, all of my blood, all of my labor, that that belongs to the society. I think not. That 10% are the leaders. They have the unique ability to make us follow. But we are given the right not to follow. So if you don't want to, don't work for them.
: 2.Even if taxes were cut you would not recieve more money- effectively it is you employer that pays the tax- not you. You are paid (In real terms, after tax) the amount of money necessary to maintain you in your function. Say you earned ú100, of which you pay ú25 tax. Thus you take home ú75. That ú75 is your real wage- if taxes went down, then your employer would hold down your wage at your market value, and make more profits for not having to pay a tax on you. Even if the tax was ú10 then you would still stay at you market rate (After a while that is, it would seem a benefit in the short term). You will never be paid more than your labour market value as a commodity, and effectively it is you employer that pays the tax- that's why capitalists are so fond of lowering the tax rate- it'll boost their profits.
I don't know how it works in the UK, but that's not how it happens here.
: 3.If this money wasn't spent then the poverty that is caused by free market ethos capitalism would run rampant, and american society would begin to disintergate, dear.
Well, Dove, I see your point, but the amount of money spent to give to other people is simply unacceptable to me. You see, Honey, I have nothing against a few bucks to help someone get back on their feet. But when these people live off of it for years on end, I say enough is enough. See my point, Love?
: 4.If you want to keep the produce of your labour, rather than give it to someone you feel is undeserving, vote for socialism, and get rid of the undeserving parasites that run the world now.
Oh, if only it were that simple. I really don't want to explain why it doesn't work that way in detail, but here it is in a nut shell.
Joe is a tin smith. He works with other tin smiths. Joe is a good worker. Suddenly, Joe and his collegues are thrust into a socialist system. For a while they work, but soon they realize that they don't have to produce tin goods in great quantities or of great quality to get the same amount of pay. So why should Joe and his buddies work hard? There is no incentive for them. Now imagine this happening in the bakeries, on the farms, in the factories. Doesn't look to pretty anymore, does it? I rest my case.
: : Oh the irony of it all.
: No Irony dear, just bald facts.
I still see the irony, sweetheart.
Cara
