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Re: Socialism liberates everyone : I DON'T THINK SO

Posted by: Red Deathy ( RDP, UK ) on July 05, 1997 at 23:23:18:

In Reply to: Re: Socialism liberates everyone : I DON'T THINK SO posted by CAP on July 03, 1997 at 15:01:00:

> Again, your ignorance clouds your view on reality Red. Today, your need a
> brain make a million, and that is what all the rich have.

Not all- some just inhereted it....further, they can afford as better education- we are taught the skills we need to work with and thats it- they can afford a better class of education...

> There is no demand for a minor or a shit-shoveler, there are tractors, > automatic shovelers, etc. Why should you pay money to someone who works slow,
> strikes all day, who has to sleep, and complains when you have a machine that
> will do the same work 100 times faster, in larger amounts, and who only
> requires gas and repairs?

About the machiner you are quite right- but there are still many labour intensive industries in the world- and even in high tech plants like buiilding intergrated ciruits and what have you, tehre are still labourers, ahving to do the work. You still need someone to run the machines. labour saving devices don't save labour, just labourers- and this means that eventually we have more surplus population consuming wealth than producing it...

> If I could read your writing then I will respond to you. Ah! now I can.
> WHAT!! Liberate everyone? Is that supposed to be funny? You cannot do shit in
> a socialist country! You can only do what the government (central) allows you.
> That is the defintion of socialism.

Socialism will abolish government- there will be no government under socialism, a socialist state is an oxymoron- there will be no government under socialism....

A centralised state is not the definition of socialism- common ownership is- the difference is crucial. Leninists and stalinists changed the emaning to suite their theories- but the point is that the people hold the means of production for themselves, rather than a minority class, be it the bourgeoisie or the state nomenklature. Read your Marx...

Either you go back to school and learn some economics or else I am not
I know my economics thank you- I don't need thios kind of insult.

going to talk to you anymore, because it is pointless talking to a ignorant, narrow-minded, brick-wall of a person. If you don't go back to school, pick a issue of 'Newsweek' or the business section of the daily paper and see for yourself the shitty conditions the people of socialist countries are in! As for your silly response to the privious person's quesition, I have a quesition for you. If socialism takes away the money people have earned and gives it the less deserving, who really are the thieves?

1: Capitalism takes the money from the workers, and gives it to the
undeserving rich- that is theft.
2: Socialism will abolish money- and there will be no state.
Have I made this clear yet?

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