- Capitalism and Alternatives -

No man is an island.

Posted by: Red Menace ( USA, Inc. ) on January 09, 1998 at 02:12:54:

In Reply to: I do not live for the sake of other men, nor do I ask them to live for mine posted by Buck on January 07, 1998 at 12:33:34:

: You signed the lease or mortgage, buddy. You think anybody would lend money if there was no interest charged? I am amazed at how many people in the world want something for nothing.

Me too. I'm amazed that so many capitalist bosses want profits without
doing any of the labor.

: Actually, The World was based on a mostly barter system until the advent of money. Cash (and capitolism) is just a means of making trade easier.

A unit of exchange (money) is not the same as an economic system based
on exploiting the labor of others (capitalism).

: Everything you do in life is trade. Your work effort is traded for wages. Your wages are traded for food (or a fleabag apartment that nobody forced you to rent).

Correct. I'm not forced to rent the apartment. In fact, I have a
choice between renting it (because my boss doesn't want to pay me enough to afford something better) or doing without shelter. Some
people have the gall to believe that this is not much of a choice.

: You CANNOT, however, trade nothing for something. Nor can you expect something for nothing (unless you are a looter, usually with some form of a gun on your side).

A good description of bosses: "some form of a gun" being the letter of
the law and the power of police to enforce the dictates of capital.

: Capitolsim is the closest thing to freedom we can manage.
: Everything else is a form of slavery.

Or so the propaganda goes. Trading the precious hours of your life in
return for starvation wages--sounds very much like slavery to me.


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