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I didnt write that

Posted by: GERARD ( Socialistas, N,Ireland ) on December 19, 1997 at 19:33:38:

In Reply to: ...did somebody call me posted by nat_turner on December 17, 1997 at 16:06:35:

: Gerard writes:
No I didnt that was comrade zues (sorry if its spelt wrong)
: : OK, lets turn away from the economy for a little bit..."

: He writes some more after that, but it's really not worth responding to. Capitalism is an economic system. If we "turn away from the economy", than we are discussing something else entirely.

What I think the comrade means is that besides economic arguments there are moral incentives to abandoning capitalism.

: Of course the USA does a lot of nasty things around the world. But many non-capitalist countries have similar histories, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, the Confederate States of America, the pre-capitalist British Empire, Mongols, the Romans, the Huns...don't get me started.
These countries regimes have crumbled the U.S. continues to oppress.

WE DONT NEED A HISTORY LESSON WE LIVE HERE NOW
: Gerard writes that he's frustrated. I often am myself; there's terrible evil in the world. But at least Capitalism offers the poor people of the world a chance...we can work for ourselves and not for some emperor, slavemaster, or Central Committe. We can strike for better wages -- and spend those wages on things we want, not on sky -high taxes and handouts to people don't work.
I didnt write that but its sure as hell true, the poor arent given a chance they're only told that they have achance and given a dream which is really a lie to cling to as they work to death.

: Of course, we have problems. The USA has the lowest unemployment rate in the world, but we're still not satisfied.
Happiness does not result from employment and your high levels of employment might just disapppear when all teh companies move off shore because they dont have to pay as much in wages but thats competition.

:We have to learn how to make sure that people who work hard get the real market price for their wages. Capitalism is not very good at making long-term investments in society, such as education. There is work to be done.
Absolutely and do you think that the capitalists ever will? I dont think so Nat you are so close to being a socialist all that you need to know is that capitalism does not serve the people in terms of wages or education or anything because it serves the INDIVIDUALS who are running it and they dont want anyone else taking over.
: But please, let's not move backwards and imitate the starving non-capitalist countries of the world. Let's move forward.
Capitalism is not the way forward.

CHEERS GERRY




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