Day 306 - 26 Nov 96 - Page 08
1 the person who stuck in his mind. Answer: "Yes. I suppose
2 that is possible, yes." Then he says -- this is
3 interesting -- "... over the weekend I have thought about
4 one or two of the questions", because he had actually given
5 evidence over a Friday and a Monday, so he had plenty of
6 time to consider what he was going to reply to these
7 challenges that were obviously going to come up that had
8 been flagged up on Friday, unsurprisingly, by Mr. Rampton,
9 that we ought to put these challenges. So, he would have
10 every opportunity to think up what he was going to say and
11 bearing in mind he is a Plaintiffs' witness, and then I put
12 these challenges. On page 8, line 8: "Do you remember that
13 the people saying the standard or customary leaflets,
14 McDonald's leaflets, that were put in mail-out were, if I
15 can describe it, an A5 two-sided leaflet about -----
16 Answer: Yes, they were that size, as I recall. Question:
17 It would be something like that that was generally put in
18 mail-outs" -- I must have held up an A5 leaflet --
19 Answer: "Yes". Then it says, Answer: "Well, I think the
20 one I picked up differs, in that it had the same graphics,
21 but different wording". Do not forget, he has already been
22 shown by Mr. Rampton the leaflet complained of. "I have a
23 feeling the one I picked up had more pages", he says
24 later. "I cannot recall ... This looks to me like the last
25 page of the leaflet I collected". He is very confused
26 here. Then I said: "Do you know which version of the
27 various available McDonald's leaflets were specifically
28 discussed in terms of ... the standard leaflet that went in
29 [mail- outs], but that there were longer versions for
30 specialist inquiries, do you remember anything of that kind
31 of nature discussed at the meeting? Answer: I do not. I
32 am sorry, no, I do not. Question: So, when people were
33 talking about including a standard McDonald's leaflet, or
34 whatever ... in a mail-out, would you know which of the
35 versions they were referring to? Answer: No." Then you
36 said: "... you would not know what 'the usual
37 anti-McDonald's leaflet' was", because he had only been to
38 one meeting anyway.
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40 Then I carried on challenging him that it would not have
41 been me who said the word "customary", or that last
42 sentence, in fact. Then you intervened to say that he had
43 made it clear. You said: "I do not think you", that is
44 me, Mr. Morris, "need put it again". And I said: "I just
45 want to put it, so that it is absolutely clear." You said:
46 "It is ... It is clear what he said." Then I said: "So,
47 you have no recollection of me personally saying those
48 words there? Answer: Not now, no."
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50 That is at the bottom of page 9. It also goes on to page
51 10. When he said that I was controlling the proceedings,
52 I challenged him, he said that I was just talking a lot.
53 My voice was heard most. But considering I was only there
54 for an hour of a two hour meeting, obviously, he had
55 attributed things to me which he then said he could not
56 attribute to me and it seems that he had, in effect, no
57 recollection, anyway, of what really happened.
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59 He said at the bottom of page 11, line 53, about it being
60 in the Kings office: "One obviously became aware in a busy
