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     1        still obviously considerably edited but less so as a result
     2        of my ruling - is it the second one?
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  It is the second one, yes, and I cannot find a copy
     5        of it.  I do not know--
     6
     7   MR. RAMPTON:   I am sorry I cannot help.  I have not had much to
     8        do with it.  Mr. Atkinson is the man in charge of this
     9        particular matter, my Lord.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  I know that the original newspaper article we were
    12        going to rely on was defendant's supplementary documents
    13        volume 6, according to my note anyway.  I do not know if it
    14        was put behind that to be the logical place.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment and let us see.  (Pause)
    17
    18   MR. RAMPTON:   I do not know what your Lordship thinks.  It may
    19        be the video is the thing that matters rather than the
    20        transcript, now that we have done the video.   Presumably,
         those are, as it were, the best evidence of what was said.
    22        I think you have intimations as well as photographs.  It
    23        may be better just to show the video, which I think takes
    24        about quarter-of-an-hour, 20 minutes,  let your Lordship
    25        see the video and then we can all lay hands on the
    26        transcript later on for the purpose of making final
    27        submissions.
    28
    29   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, of course, that would be a good idea.  It is
    30        just that if we have the transcript it will save time in
    31        writing out the relevant bits because there are only about
    32        three or four relevant bits that we have given notice that
    33        we were going to rely on.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  My search is largely irritation at
    36        myself.  I cannot remember where it was put, and I know I
    37        have got it noted down somewhere, but it being Monday
    38        morning I cannot remember at all where it is.
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am afraid I cannot remember that which
         I never knew.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If it really is only quarter-of-an-hour, 20
    44        minutes, to see the video I suggest I watch it, because if
    45        at some stage in the future there is some argument about
    46        the way in which something was said then we are going to
    47        have to look at it anyway.  I hope someone will actually
    48        give me the reference.  If anyone can remember the date
    49        when it was handed in I will probably have written in my
    50        notebook where I put it.
    51
    52   MR. MORRIS:  The original shorter transcript was 8th March.
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, the longer one.
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  We will track it down.  We would want to rely on
    57        the whole of the edited video, anyway, for context.  So
    58        much the best thing is for your Lordship to see it.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us see it now.