From wang!elf.wang.com!ucsd.edu!packet-radio-relay Thu Feb 14 15:49:02 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.63/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:20:42 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa02605; Thu, 14 Feb 91 15:49:01 GMT Received: from ucsd.edu by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with SMTP id AA21512; Thu, 14 Feb 91 10:00:16 -0500 Received: by ucsd.edu; id AA16986 sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.1-sun Thu, 14 Feb 91 04:30:07 -0800 for hpbbrd!db0sao!dg4scv Received: by ucsd.edu; id AA16976 sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.1-sun Thu, 14 Feb 91 04:30:05 -0800 for /usr/lib/sendmail -oc -odb -oQ/var/spool/lqueue -oi -fpacket-radio-relay packet-radio-list Message-Id: <9102141230.AA16976@ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 04:30:02 PST From: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup Reply-To: Packet-Radio@ucsd.edu Subject: Packet-Radio Digest V91 #43 To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu Packet-Radio Digest Thu, 14 Feb 91 Volume 91 : Issue 43 Today's Topics: Beginner's Questions Shareware over packet? (3 msgs) Tandy 100/102 series and packet radio - need hints TCP/IP on 128 K Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/packet-radio". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 91 04:33:16 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!bikini!ty@ucsd.edu (Tyng-Jing Yang) Subject: Beginner's Questions To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu By reading this newsgroup for two weeks, it seems I can read/post news to usenet and do ftping by packet radio.(correct me if I'm wrong) It make me very interested to setup packet radio if I can access internet by radio instead of telephone line. I already ordered books about packted-radio from ARRL(or ARL). 1. How can I have/apply a Internet connection with packet radio ? I mean in Florida state. 2. Can I have Radio-Internet connetion in Asis (Taiwan) ? I might go back to Taiwan after I finish my MS degree. If I have positive answers I'll setup packet radio with my NeXT computer( there will be a SoftPC for NeXT soon). Thanks Jing ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 91 13:14:53 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven!ni.umd.edu!sayshell.umd.edu!louie@apple.com (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Shareware over packet? To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu In article <1991Feb13.061842.15332@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) writes: >If the software so much as suggests sending money to the author... then it >is business. If the software is public domain and has no hint of such a >suggestion, it might not be business. If it is being distributed for the >purpose of hams to use, I see no problem with it whatsoever. If it is >being distributed by some form of agreement (whether money is exchanged >or not) then it is likely "business" in the legal sense that matters in >this case. This misses a very large amount of software; that which is most definately NOT public domain software, but which carries a copyright notices that limits the uses and further distribution of the software to specific terms. For example, Phil Karn's KA9Q software is not public domain and carries a copyright notice to the effect that "you can't sell this software or call it your own, but you can give it to anyone that you want for free." Most of the software that I write carries a very similar notice which prohibits the software from being included in a commercial product without specific prior approval. The larger problem, I suspect, is that most folks don't understand what "Public Domain" really means, If they wanted to ensure that their software got the widest possible distribution and didn't get gobbled up by commerical products, they would attach a Copyright notice. louie WA3YMH ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 91 17:40:40 GMT From: ucivax!turner@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Clark Turner) Subject: Shareware over packet? To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu In article <1991Feb13.131453.4557@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >In article <1991Feb13.061842.15332@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) writes: > >>If the software so much as suggests sending money to the author... then it >>is business. If the software is public domain and has no hint of such a >>suggestion, it might not be business. If it is being distributed for the ...(stuff deleted)... > >The larger problem, I suspect, is that most folks don't understand what >"Public Domain" really means, If they wanted to ensure that their >software got the widest possible distribution and didn't get gobbled up >by commerical products, they would attach a Copyright notice. [to the effect that no one may use it for commercial purposes, it may ONLY be distributed for free....] Good point. To refer to Phil's previous advice, your looking to the purposes of Amateur radio is a good start, but I am looking for specific references to see how things play out for the FCC (or in a court). Determining what is and is not a "business activity" in a legal sense can be quite a complicated issue in a commercial case. To act as an [informed] attorney, I need to know the language used, the relevant definitions, and the standards laid down by the relevant ruling agency. If anyone has such things --- I would love the references. I am building a file of Amateur radio legal information so that if called upon by my local club or friend [who is not about to spend thousands of dollars just to improve the ARS], I may be of some service. The point made here appears to be a "gray" area. I would clearly see the copyright restriction you append to software as taking the work out of the commercial realm - but who knows what the FCC would do, or a Federal court? AND, I agree that there is confusion about putting works into the public domain...and that your restrictive copyright notice makes an important statement at the very least. Clark ---------- Clark S. Turner "The Buddha, the Godhead, resides WA3JPG quite as comfortably in the circuits turner@ics.uci.edu of a digital computer or the gears ---------- of a cycle transmission as he does at the top of a mountain or in the petals of a flower." - Robt. Pirsig ---------- 714 856 2131 1514 Verano Pl., Irvine, CA. 92715 admitted to practice law in NY, MA, and CA. ---------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 91 04:00:14 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!wells!k3tx@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Heller) Subject: Shareware over packet? To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu In article <27B97A19.15785@ics.uci.edu>, turner@ics.uci.edu (Clark Turner) writes: > In article <1991Feb13.131453.4557@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: > >In article <1991Feb13.061842.15332@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) writes: > >>If the software so much as suggests sending money to the author... then it > >>is business. If the software is public domain and has no hint of such a > >>suggestion, it might not be business. If it is being distributed for the > ...(stuff deleted)... > of Amateur radio is a good start, but I am looking for specific references > to see how things play out for the FCC (or in a court). Determining what > is and is not a "business activity" in a legal sense can be quite a > complicated issue in a commercial case. To act as an [informed] attorney, > I need to know the language used, the relevant definitions, and the > standards laid down by the relevant ruling agency. If anyone has such things > --- I would love the references. I am building a file of Amateur radio > legal information so that if called upon by my local club or friend [who > is not about to spend thousands of dollars just to improve the ARS], I may > be of some service. > WA3JPG quite as comfortably in the circuits This sounds like a lawyer talking. Your call indicates you've been an amateur for at least 25 years, and presumably you've kept up with the popular literature, read QST regularly, etc. So you should know that any attempt by the Amateurs openly to attempt to defy the Great God FCC leads to problems that have a nasty habit of doing far more harm than good. A little common sense tells one whether a subject is business or not, and if it is the rules say "lay off". Experience shows that for the FCC there's no Gray Area. Ask them a question on some ill-defined subject and the answer is always NO. If a subject looks questionable (and this one about shareware vs public domain certainly fills the definition) and you really want an intelligent, and probably informed, answer, go to the League. The best you can accomplish by pestering FCC is to screw things up for everyone else. Don't we have enough problems as it is already? Look at that crap coming from Norfolk to such as W3IWI and some others who rank with the best Amateur Radio can call its own. Don't stir up problems where none exist. Read the rules, Part 97, and try hard to abide with their spirit, and all will (or should) be fine. If you want some lawyer business, go chase an ambulance. Leave Amateur Radio out of it. K3TX ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 91 06:00:14 GMT From: att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!swood@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Wood) Subject: Tandy 100/102 series and packet radio - need hints To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu I am looking for help, and input from anyone that has used the tandy 100/102 laptops with their amateur radio set-ups. Especially with packet or station management. Any and all input is helpful (how, why, and what) thanks swood ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 91 15:30:43 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!samsung!umich!vela!swood@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU ( EVENSONG) Subject: TCP/IP on 128 K To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu OK, I have a computer with 128K (expandable) RAM, and 128K disk space. How hard would it be to actually get it set up for TCP/IP or is that too small of memory?? swood -- ---- Insert favorite .signature here ---- | swood@argo.acs.oakland.edu | swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu Bitnet: swood@Oakland | swood@unix.secs.oakland.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!umich!{vela, argo, unix, nucleus}!swood ------------------------------ End of Packet-Radio Digest ******************************