Omni, Bob Lazar And UFOs. (Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:17:49 PST)
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~Subject: Omni, Bob Lazar And UFOs. I don't know when or if I will finish up the discussions of the topics PALM LEAF READING and THE NEW YORK TIMES AND UFOs but I just got some information about Bob Lazar and UFOs so we will now go to that information. I hope this shift in thought will not blow your minds........................ ............................................................................. Project Galileo Name: Bob Lazar, independent contract scientist and businessman Claim: To have worked as a propulsion-system engineer in late 1988 and early 1989 on one of nine extraterrestrial spacecraft being researched and tested on the Nelis Air Range in central Nevada. Background: From 1982 to 1984, Lazar claims he worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico in the Meson Physics lab with a Q-level security clearance. In 1985, while on vacation in Nevada, he wound up buying into a legal Reno brothel; the investment proved so profitable that he didn't have to return to full-time employment for a while. He moved to Nevada in 1986. In 1988, he wanted to get back into scientific work and was hired, he says, to work on the top-secret Project Galileo. Lazar passed a lie-detector test in 1989, arranged by George Knapp, then an anchorman for KLAS-TV, the CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, Nevada, for a special locally aired series, UFOs: The Best Evidence. The Story: "In 1988, I decided to reenter the scientific community and sent resumes to various people. Finally, I interviewed with a placement firm to work for the Department of Naval Intelligence in a civilian capacity, and in the fall of 1988, I was hired on an on-call basis to work on a project involving advanced propulsion systems. At that point, that's all I knew. "Not long after, I was flown along with several others out to area 51 on the Nellis Air Range. There, we were put on a bus with blacked-out windows and driven about 15 miles south to the Papoose dry lake bed, bordered by the Papoose Mountains, where there was an installation they called 'S4.` "I was introduced to my supervisor and a co-worker and then given a stack of briefings on various projects, including Project Galileo, which was devoted to the study of nine disc-shaped extraterrestrial craft that were somehow acquired by the U.S. government. "I was assigned back enegineering tasks on the reactor and gravity- propulsion system of one of the discs -- essentially to help figure out what made it work. I don't know whether it was a crash retrieval, although I doubt it, because the disc didn't appear damaged in any way. In the briefing reports, there were pictures of several discs along with some of the informtion they ahd already obtained from back engineering research. "I was stunned and exhilarated at the sme time. But there were well-armed guards everwhere, and this place wasn't exactly the kind of environment where you could just start asking any and every question you had. Security in fact, was oppressive. You were escorted everywhere, even the bathroom. And if your I.D. badge was just the slightest bit out of place, you would be tackled by a guard and held with a gun to your head until your supervisor arrived. And the guards lived for that. "At times, the whole thing seemed just surreal. Ther was a poster of the disc I was working on, which I bubbed the Sport Model, on several walls. It read, They're here. "I dealt with only the power sources and propulsion systems on one of the discs, and I did enter that one disc on several occasions. The disc was approximately 15 feet tall and about 52 feet in diameter. It had the appearance of brushed stainless steel or brushed aluminum. I didn't run a test on it, so I don't know if it was metal, but I did run my hands down the side of it getting in, and it felt cold, like metal, and it looked like metal. It had no physical seams, no welds or bolts or rivets, and it looked as if it were injection molded. JW They have a picture of Bob Lazar in the article. Part 1. Source Of Material: Omni Magazine, April, 1994. John WinstonRemote Viewing. Part 1 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:51:53 PST)
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~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 1 of 3. Here is some informtion about Remote Viewing that Lady R. sent me. She can really do it........................................................ ........................................................................ <The following speech was given by Major General Stubblebine, an important advocate of the military use of psi and related techniques> MAJOR GENERAL ALBERT N. STUB BLEBINE, III LECTURE ON REMOTE VIEWlNG AS A RESEARCH TOOL International Symposium on UFO Research Sponsored by the International Association for New Science Denver, Colorado, May 22-25, 1992 (Introduction by Dr. Steven Greer of Gen. (Ret.) Stubblebine's military career as Commanding officer of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), his efforts to study unusual human performance for the Army, his involvement as Chairman of the Board of Directors of Psi-Tech, his association with TREAT and with Soviet Technology Transfer, etc GEN. STUBBLEBINE: (Begins with casual remarks on "why a person like me is in a place like this talking to a group of people like you on a subject like wherever it is we are talking today; continues with casual jokes about rapturing the audience, ethnic jokes about Hittites "with a slight Japanes flavor" about kamakaze pilots on WW2, leading to the phrase, "Are you ou of your f------ mind? That, ladies and gentlemen, is the title of this talk because what I plan to talk is remote viewing"). So what is remote viewing? (From now abbreviated as RV--ed.) First of all, it is a very systematic, very controlled method of accessing inforrnation that is not normally available by any other source, that's about fi~ll isn't it? Accessible information that is not accessible by any other source. I told you, if you either did it or believe in it, you probably would be out of your mind because everyone knows that that is not a doable do, can't do that, however, we can and we do, so first of all let me tell you a little bit about what remote viewing is. It is independent of time, OK? So I can go past, I can go present, I can go future. It is independent of location, so I can go anywhere on this earth, I can go into any closet, I can go into any mind, I can access that information at any location that I choose. It is independent of space, therefore, I can access that information any place in on the planet or off of it if I choose; and it is independent of countermeasures, I believe I put a caveat on the last one, not a caveat on the first, small caveat on the last one because all of the research has not been done at this stage on the counter measures. There are indications that some counter measures are possible, we have bumped on indications of counter measures but that piece of research has not been done at this stage of the game, so I believe it is independent of most counter measures, I am not totally convinced that is independent of all countermeasures. What is remote viewing not, if I can screw my English there? What will RV not do, OK? Well, first of all, it is not a panacea, it is not a end-all to all end-alls, it provides threads, it provides ldeas, it provides detailed information, but it should not, we do not and should not be used as an absolute panacea, an absolute truth; it needs to be, that information that's gleaned from the RV set needs to be taken and co-related with all other information that you know in order to make the picture that you then makes decisions and recommendations from there is a lot of differences between using it as an end-all and using it a a tool, as a tool to provide you information that you- cannot get in other ways and to make sense of the picture that you think, there is a lot of difference between using it as gospel and using it as a tool to be integrated with the rest of the tools that are available. What is it not? lt does not not at this stage of the game, do numbers well nor does it do words well or letters well. For instance, I could not go in and read a report that is in somebody's safe, I might be able to get the essence of that report but I could not read it, I can get sensings of it but I cannot at this stage of the game go in and do the reading, and numbers or particular hard letters are hard, OK? What is it not? It is not a tool to be used by the callous or the undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word has all kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to help, not a tool that is to be used for illicit purposes, so that gives you a little bit of an idea of what it can do and what it can't do. I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and natural or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very frequently from people who don't understand when they listen to the words that I am talking about, so they say, ah! but I know a psychic who does, so they say what is the difference between what you do in a RV sense and what they do in a pure natural, psychic fashion or manner? There are a couple of differences and the first one is the training- The training for our viewers in a one year, six- stage training course, one year six stages, OK? so there is an incredible amount of very carefully monitored, very carefully metered very carefully controlled process that is taught to all of our remote viewers, and as Steven (Greer--ed.) indicated, I am the Chairman of the Board of this company called Psi Tech and we have six remote viewers, all of whom have been through the one year training as well as a lot of expierence of doing RV itself, each one of those is a very well trained, very controlled person, very highly disciplined individual- Sometime ago when we had the draft, we haven't had the draft in the Army for a long period of time, but at one time the Pentagon was considering the kind of people it ought to draft, the ones that would really make good soldiers, and the conclusion was that they should be married, and somebody said, I understand, very simple, they learn how to take orders. Well, yes, true of the people who do the RV, they must be willing to follow the instructions, the sort of programming, the methodology that is used. The second major discipline in all of this is that there is a very carefully established protocol or methodology through which and by which remote viewers are actaully given their task and how they do both their RV as well as their reporting, so there is an incredibly tight protocol established to make sure that the information that we are getting out of the data bank--and let me through out a theorem, that there is a huge data bank that exists out there that can be accessed, OK? there is a huge bank out there, all you got to do is go access it, who can access it? Anybody, anybody can access that data bank, alright, these remote viewers did not have any special psychic abilities before we select to training, they didn't, OK? they were just like you and I, or almost, but pretty close, they were just straight normal people who we trained to do this process. Incidentally, how many people in this audience either think they are, or believe they are or play at being a psychic, or do psychic channeling, readings or anyhting (It seems that first there is only a small show of hands that grows at Stubblebine's urging--ed.) The difference between the two is first of all the training, second the controlled mechanisms in which we handle our remote viewers. Now let me kind of walk you through a typical problem to give you some sense of how it occurs. Lets assume an airplane crash, its relatively easy task to do, all we do is we take three of our viewers and we will tell those three viewers as much information about the crash as we know, a) it was an airplane, b) it was Pan-Am, c) it was flying over wherever, Colorado, and it was at such and such a time and it disappeared, and no one knows where it went, OK? What happened? The other three, now, we don't do that, all we do with the other three is we give them a controlled coordinate, incidentally the controlled coordinate is not the coordinate of the plane crash site because we don't know where that is, it is nothing more than a control for the controller of the exercise to measure that all of the remote viewers are on the same sheet of music. Each of the viewers now goes in and independently does his or her thing--incidentally all of our viewers right now are males, however, I have had female viewers and so that's not, how do I express it? Right now we are very sexist, we have all males, however, that is not a bar to do RV, as a matter of fact women do very, very well as long as we can get them to the controlled protocol. I will tell you that one who we tried to train who was already a natural psychic, did not work well because the natural psychic ability kept overiding the control mechanisms and therefore we were having trouble making sure that everything stayed within the discipline and within the control box. The all six then go off independently and do their thing, and when they come back, they write out their report and provide each of the six reports to the controller, the controller now takes the six reports and begins to analyze the reports to see wherc the similarities and where the differences are, and from that, you then decide, or the controller decides whether you need to send that viewer back into session again Command: for additional detail. For instance, and it frequently happens that one viewer will get a tail number or an indication of a tail number, you know, I told you numbers are hard but the tail numbers are relatively large numbers and so sometimes you can get an indication of the tail number; the sencond one will get you a crash site that is on top of a mountain or a third of the way down the mountain; another one may get you a piece of a coordinate or get you a coordinate, know exactly where that is, another one will get you that everybody is dead or most are dead but some are still alive, so you get different essences out of the six remote viewers. JW So that is what Lady R. said he said. John Winston.Remote Viewing. Part 2 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 19:18:41 PST)
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~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 2 of 3. Incidentally the remote viewers do not have to be on a single location, and most of ours are not, many are in the larger Washington metroplitan area, but one of them is in Minnesota and another one is out in Kansas, so they do not need to be co-located when they are doing their work. Each sesslon incidentally is about a 45 minute session, we find that you go much beyond 45 minutes and you are beginning to run into lapses or a lapse in the energy field and you begin to slip off the quality of the information, so we try to limit the sessions to about 45 minutes. After the controller has taken a look at each one of the reports, he then decides on what additional Command: work needs to be done, do you send it back to get additional data or you are satisfied with what you got, you have enough now that you can go out and write a report for the individual or the company that paid you to do the RV to begin with, so that gives you at least a sense of how one of these projects would work. Let me talk now about some examples. I mentioned that you can go into the past or you can go into the future. Tomorrow, I believe, you get two sessions, one is with Scott Jones who I believe is going to talk about Tunguska, which was a project that Psi Tech did, and obviously, the event in Tunguska happened way in the past; you also will also Command: heard from Dr. Laibow, she is not talking about her project, but Psi Tech did a project for her and for TREAT on the Phobos-2 probe, that information was quite revealing incidentally; however, we have not released any of it at this stage of the game because we are working with the Soviets and trying to get confirmation from the Soviet system as to to the accuracy of the Psi Tech RV report-so that we can get some co-relation as to the quality of project, a) that large and b) that complex. So incidentally the Phobos-2 probe disappeared off of Soviet radar screen just suddenly, it was operating and suddenly it wasn't, and so there was a lot of curiosity about what occurred, Command: and there has been a lot of speculation as to what really occurred to the craft, and if the remote viewers are correct, it will be a quite a revelation when we finally get the confirmation that we think is available out of the Soviet Union. In any event, those two are projects of the past, let me now talk about projects that were of the future, that are no longer of tbe future, but they were at the time that they were done. One was a very large corporation here in the United States wanted to know what the power source was going to be on the lunar station on the moon when it finally got there, and we said, that sounds like an interesting Command: project, so we took a look at that. Now that had a couple of components, one was what was going to be the power source, and also there was an indication that they wanted to mine the rock on the moon, the lunar rock, in order to extract both the hydrogen and oxygen, you combine the two you get water which you can drink, but you also get energy which you can use for an energy source, but you also get oxygen which you can breath, so it sounded kind of neat. However, when we looked at it, that's not what we found, what we found was a small, portable existing nuclear reactor, OK? That sounded neat because it was already here, it existed on this earth, Command: there was one problem with it, it wasn't in the United States, as a matter of fact it was in the Soviet Union, and everybody said, oh my goodness gracious, that can't possibly be, as a matter of fact the client in this case said, I didn't want to hear that answer, OK? I really didn't want to hear that, besides I can't get to that reactor anyway because the Soviet is still a closed system, OK? Well, I don't know whether you have been reading the newspapers lately, but there is or has been in the newspapers a system, a Soviet system called TOPAZ, and TOPAZ, the United States just bought or just arranged to buy, I don't think its gotten here yet but it arranged to get it Command: here, and it is a small portable existing nuclear reactor that is suitable for space, OK? and that work was done for this corporation about three years before, two and a half years earlier, so the work was done but it was done for a future event, and in essence at least part of that future event appears to have taken place... (End of Side A)... The lunar exploration is actually up there and operating and that's the system they have, I can't (do anyhting about it?) because we haven't got there yet, thats what the indicators are. The second kind of interesting project dealt with again a very large U.S. corporation that had extensive interest in the price of oil in Command: the Middle East and what would be the impact of what was going on in the Middle East and what would it look like when it was all over; in other words, they really were interested in after the dust settled over in that part of the world, what was the situation going to be so that this corporation could make up its mind how it wanted to posture itself vis-a-vis the then time frame, now the time frame was August 1990 and that was during Desert Shield, not desert Storm but desert Shield. The project was to look inside (Saddam) Hussein's head and find out what he was thinking and where he was going and what he was going to do, now this was ahead of time, I want you to know this was Command: before Desert Storm, this was Desert Shield, alright? The attempts, in spite of two assasnation attempts he would stlll bc there and he would still be in charge, OK? Well, one of those assasination attempts has been verified, I've never seen any intelegence or information or corrobarotion about the second assassination attempt, I know that one was attempted, OK? He obviously is still alive. The second piece of that not asked for, but clearly indicated as picked up by the viewers as they looked at it, was a huge oil fire, huge oil conflagration. Well that's kind of interesting because that obviously also occurred. Command: Now let me get back to the sort of the psychics versus the remote viwers because I don't admit this and God and this is on tape too, Jesus Oh Boy! I am not a trained remote viewer, I am not a natural psychic, OK? However, I do get, I am highly visual and I do get lots of interesting images; about two months before the fires actually occurred in the Middle East, before Hussein actually set fire to the oil wells. I had seen an incredibly dramatic image; and it was of a huge fire; now the fire, I can see this incredible set of black smoke and I could see vertically what to be sticks, you know, I could see the base of, and I concluded that is was a forest fire, OK? and so i Command: took it out of Kuwait and I moved it somewhere else in the world because there are no trees in Kuwait to have a forest fire with, you know, logic tells you that there are no trees, therefore you cannot have a forest fire, therefore, it cannot be Kuwait, boom, all right? Wrong! Wrong! The minutes those pictures came on TV I knew instantaneoulsy that that's what I had seen, and what I had misp~ the trees with oil rigs, OK? Now, what happens in that case is wha overlay, and it is part of the protocol to remove that overlay fron remote viewers so that you don't get that misconclusion or that misdirection, it is precisely what we do in the controlled process, Command: protocol that extracts the overlay away from the expierence of the individuals See, my expierence says if you got stick you got trees got trees you got forest fires, if you got forest fires you are not in Kuwait right? Boom! See the logic? All of that was overlay that I put there myself, now we don't allow that with our remote viewers and we do have a protocol that stops that dead in its tracks and removes that overlay do that we don't get the expierential piece in there, we get access to the data is in the data base to bring it back and give it pure, that's the system and that's the primary difference between the sort of the pure psychic and what we believe to be the remote Command: viewers, or our trained remote viewers. (Jokes about onions with long ears that occasionally bring tears to your eyes) That really is the neat part about remote viewing because occasionally you get right on the money, so much so that bring tears to your eyes if you are right there, that's kind of the essence of the difference between those two elements. Let me talk to you about where you might take this kind of a tool and do something with it, and again I am not sure I want to be on tape for this. We have looked at Mars, we have looked at UFOs, we spent some time looking at Mars, tomorrow I believe that you are going to Command: hear a presentation on the Mars phenomena, and if I am correct, that you will be told that there are structures on the surface of Mars. I will tell you for the record that there are structures underneath the surface of Mars that cannot be seen by the Voyager cameras that went by in 1976, which is what you are going to hear tomorrow; I will also tell you that there are machines on the surface of Mars and there are machincs under the surface of Mars that you can look at, you can find out in detail, you can see what they are, where they are, who they are and a lot of detail about them. Now, you can do that through RV and I defy any sensor anywhere in this world today that can do that Command: kind of analysis or give you those kinds of leads, it just doesn't exist today. Now, someday we will put a Mars station, someday we will go there, someday we will see all of this, someday we will find it, but today you do not have any capability to verify what I am saying so I can I say it, which makes it nice. As far as the UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they can be tracked, we have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not a hard job, you can track them back to where they come from, whether they come from a place here on this planet or whether they come from a place on another planet, they are trackable and you can take a look Command: inside as well as outside, so again it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO research and I guess, I guess that's the reason that I am standing on this platform in spite of my misgivings and feeling a little bit nervous like a tree on a Lassie program. Last but not least, let me explore the fact that this technology has not been proven in terms of a Mars or a UFO kind of a tool, I will tell you, however, though, because one of the things which I am sure is going through everybody's mind is what is the statistical success rate if you will, how good are you, how good are your remote viewers, where do they stand. Are they 50-50, because I can flip a coin and do Command: that; are they at 51 versus 49, because if they are that's better than the flip of a coin. I will tell you that its better than a B-plus, better than a B-plus, now for all of you who remember, I had trouble remembering that far back to High School, it was about 200 years ago, but if my recollection is correct, B-plus was about 85 or better. If you do it properly and begin to take the project, get the large overview, take it down like a telescopic lens to the next layer, take it down to the next telescopic lens cut out into the next layer and kecp going down until you are down to the nuts and bolts, that number can go as high as 95 percent success rate, it is a Command: phenomenal tool, it is a phenomenal tool. We have failures, yeah, we have some, not often but we do, occasionally you get noise, you get an overide of some sort, and that's why I said I am not sure about all of the counter measures at this stage of the game, OK? Part 2 of 3. John Winston.Remote Viewing. Part 3 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 19:20:32 PST)
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~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 3 of 3. He then answered questions from the audience). (Q from audience on futher details about Psi Tech's protocols). OK, let me answer the last one first, the protocol was developed by Ingo Swann who is himself a natural psychic, and he has patented the protocol, that's first and foremost; the second, where we get the errors, the errors appear to come out of interference, now what is interference? Interference appears to be some counter measure of some sort, so there appears to be some areas that we are having trouble accessing, it appears that when you have trouble accessing them that there is a wall that has been built up, I don't know, I guess I'd Command: call it a psychic wall of some sort. (Audience interjects comment) You get, you sort of bang up against a wall, you go bonk. I have just been reminded that Ed Dames who is the president of Psi-Tech and is himself a remote viwer, but he doesn't do much, he acts more as the control. (Mentions Ed's talk in Atlanta for TREAT IV and the transcripts will be available sometime in the future). (Q about mental state of the viewers). Completely passive, totally passive obviously is a state of mind, the individual state of mind, heavily Theta, for those of you who understand brainwaves, its a Theta brainwave state of mind that they are in, we've actually Command: measured some of them and they are very heavy in the Theta brainwave arena, but it is totally passive as far as I can tell, there is no active instrument other than the mind that is accessing the information. (Q on to what extent are major Government using RV) I haven't the foggiest freaking ass idea (laughter). You did see foreign governments, thats what I thought you said. (Questioner clarifies he said major governments). Rule one, I will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement, OK? excuse me, I will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement that is classified, that's a Command: better way of expressing it, so anybody that and I have been asked that question over and over and over and over again, I made an oath, I have no intention of breaking that oath. Now, let's talk about foreign governments because that's a different story. The Soviets have been doing RV, they call it extra-sense, they have been doing that for years, at one time the Soviet budget, the second highest part of the Soviet budget was in paranormal, parapsychological experts that's not true today but that was true probably six years ago. at least six years ago, that was a true statement, so the second highest right behind the defense budget was the money for the Command: parapsycolocial/paranormal work, so if there is anybody who doesn't believe that the Soviets have been playing in that business, does not understand what they are doing. We have been in contact, and as a matter of fact to my knonewledge, we had on the platform at TREAT-IV in Atlanta, we had on the platform simultaneously the president of Psi Tec, Ed Dames, and the president of a Soviet enterprise, civilian enterprise headed by Ivan Sokolov, who does the same thing in the Soviet Union, I think thats a first, OK? And what we are trying to do together is to devise a project that will use the capabilities of both organizations, and the one we are focusing on Command: right at the moment is finding and cleaning up the environmental hazards so that we begin to work on some of the incredible environmental problems that exist in the Soviet Union, so we picked the environment, its benign, it doesn't get this country upset or this government upset, it doesn't get their government upset, its something that needs to be done and so we try to pick something that its an absolutely benign topic so that everyone can support it forward, I don't know if that answers all of your questions, but it gives you a little bit of a ramble. Yes, mam. (Q on UFOs). We got ten years of data that's stacked up, that we kept Command: in the closet for many of the same reasons that a lot of, well, there are people who are just barely now holding up there hands and saying, yes, I think I believe in one those, at least publicly, there is about ten years of data that we got stacked up on the UFO phenomenon, that's the good news; the bad news is that its not all in the kind of order that it needs to be, so it needs to be gone through it, sort it, begin to analyze it, the problem with that of course it costs money and money doesn't grow everywhere for such projects, so somebodys got to be interested in doing that but a lot of it exists, yes? Command: (Q on Sunspots interference with RV) I don't know, he wants to know whether sunspots would impact or affect the ability of the remote viewer to do the RV job, the reason I hesitate is because I never even thought about it, now what I have thought about or those areas where we begin to get what appear to be interference and appear to be counter measures and trying to sort that setout and make sense of it. Now, what I haven't thought about it is whether that was a natural occurring phenomena or an intentionality on someone else's part who is in fact trying to interfere or in effect jam our own ability to access, so the answer is I don't know, it would be a very nice Command: research project. (Q about your agency, which he reacts to, Psi Tech) Yes, we can talk about that. (Whether Psi Tech has been contacted to work on counter measures) No. (Q on tracking of UFOs) Earth, Mars. (Q about a rumor circulating on the Roswell crash). No, stop that, please stop that rumor, first of all Ed (Darnes) has not looked at Roswell, OK? He has not looked at Roswell, now there was a thought that he would like to, and that has been blown from the thought that I'd like to look at it to the thought that, you know, and Ed went uuuuuuh, out of site, Command: mean, it followed a UFO cunre, OK, so kill that rumor. Way back in the corner. (Q on Mars machinery). Its moving, the machinery is moving, so I dont know, if its from a leftover civilization its got a long-live battery, its better than any of the dolls we put out on Christmas, I tell you, OK? (Q on more of the same). Yeah, its a structure, that's what I say, there are structures on the surface, and incidentally I don't want to take thunder away from any tomorrow, because you are going to get a chit-chat about that tomorrow and I don't want to trail on somedoby else's toes, all I that I am saying is that there Command: are structures on top, there are structures underneath, there are machines on top ahhhh I got a UFO!!! (Laughter) Zooong and another alien hits the dust. OK, we need to warp this in short order. (Q on whether viewers need to be in trance). All the viewers that we chosen so far are known quantities, there are all people that I know personally, and thats very important because it goes back to that pitch that I made or that notion that I made on what RV was not in the beginning, and I cannot afford to have anybody that does not have absolute total integrity and absolute total that I can totally trust, so I demand total integrity, totally integrative person, because I Command: don't want this thing done in a way that will in any shape, form or fashion be construed as being outside the limits of normal conduct, so they are chosen very carefully. The second thing is, do they go into a trance? Well, I think mentioned we measured some of them and they are in a Theta brain wave state. OK, one more. (Q on crop circles). No, only because, you know, we are a for profit organization, Psi Tech is a for profit organization, OK? and if somebody would like to have the crop circles looked at, we would be more than happy to look at crop circles. Now there has been some very casual looking, you know, just to kind of test what it was and what Command: was going on, and so there is some minor inforrnation, but we have not really done that as a process. OK, let me say in conclusion, I think I want to burn that ta back there because I am not sure that I want any of this on tape. (End of tape) The End Part 3 of 3. That is the sum total of what Lady R. said he said. John Winston.Past Lives On Other Planets. (Tue, 5 Apr 94 16:58:33 PDT)
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~Subject: Past Lives. I betcha that all of you people have lived past lives, most of you have lived lives on other planets and some of you have lived in other dimensions. Did you know that most of you volunteered to come here and you agreed to go through the coming shift up in conciousness? Maybe you don't remember doing this. There was a time in my training when I found out who I had been in more than 14 previous lives. Some of them were fairly important lives like when I was a statesman and a judge in the Holy Lands. My name was Jacob DonAme, I heard Jesus speak at Capernium and became a follower of his but I didn't go around with him. Some of my lifetimes were is places of very low station like when I was a hillbilly from the South and came to Calif. During that lifetime another person I know who is a psychic and I both came to Bodie, Calif. I have gone there lately and still remember part of it. I was a scribe for the Catholic Church in Carmel by the Sea, near Monterey and my name was Brother Ser. I was not Father Serra who was there also. I have visited that place and remember it also. There is also a town in the wine country (Calistoga), as you go towards Clear Lake where I once tried to establish a church during that lifetime and I died a disheartened man. Here is some information about this subject that has come my way lately. .......................................................................... Interview With Dr. Brian Weiss. According to this Miami psychiatirist, past-lives therapy works: It's quick, inexpensive, and people get better - whether they believe in reincarnation or not. Treating patients by guiding them through recollections of what appear to be previous lives is about the last thing Brian Weiss thought he'd be doing. The South Florida physicain, who before the age of 35 was chief of psychiatry at MOunt Sinai Hospital and a professor at the University of Miami's medical school, had always taken the traditional path. Growing up in New Jersey, Weiss was an overachiever, self-described as "studious, but not geeky." After graduating magna cum laude from Columbia University in 1966, he recieved his M.D. from Yale in 1970. It was Ivy League all the way. Publishing papers, becoming a recognized psychophamacology expert, he considered himself a "show me" kind of guy, believing only what he could see. He rarely gave much thought to anything paranormal, mystical, or spiritual. One patient changed all that. Weiss calls her Catherine in Many Loves, Many Masters, Published in 1988, eight years after her therapy began. Barely budging her garden-variety phobias and anxieties with 18 months of convertional therapy, Weiss instructed Catherine while hypnotized to "go back to the time from which your symptoms arise." She did: the year was 1863 B.C., and she was a 25- year-old woman named Aronda. Part 1. Source of Information: Omni, April, 1994. John Winston.Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 2. (Wed, 6 Apr 94 06:07:27 PDT)
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~Subject: Past Lives. Part 2. Once I was having a meeting with a few of the people from the Solar Cross Organization in San Jose, Calif. and the conversation got around to where people were from on other planets before the were born here. I was surprised when I found out that everyone of them was from a different planet from the rest of the people who were there. If my information is right, I lived on the planet Venus in one of my past lives about 5 lifetimes ago. I was head of the television type of news and information distribution system that they had for the entire planet. The TV type device was fitted into the wall and was only about 2 or 3 inches thick. A couple of people that I have met on earth in this lifetime were my grown children in that lifetime. Now back to own information about Mr. Weiss, who investigates people's past lives.................................................................. ............................................................................ Weiss was shocked as Catherine unleashed a flood of memories from other lifetimes as well. He soon discovered, he says, that traumatic events and relationships encountered in previous lives were the source of her problems. But only after ruling out schizophrenia, split personalities, psychosis, drug use, neurological illness, sociopathic tendencies, and just plain acting, could the scientifically trained Weiss begin to accept his notion. "My gut reaciton was that I'd stumbled upon something I knew very little about - reincarnation and past memories." During the next three years, he dispelled Catherine's phobias and panic attack by having her vividly recall events from dozens of her past lives. But reincarnation was only part of what Weiss encountered during Catherine's treatment. He also met "the Masters," entities who spoke through Catherine, while she was under hypnosis, about the nature of the universe, levels of consciousness, intuitive powers, and the soul, which they said passed from one body to another. Weiss first branded it mumbo jumbo until "the Masters" talked about Weiss's late father and the medical condition that caused the death of his three-week-old son years before - information to which Catherine would have no access. In 1990, Weiss left Mount Sinai to devote himself to his patients, about 60 percent of whose therapies include recalling past lives. Part 2. Source Of Information: Omni, April, 1994. John Winston.Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 3 of 3. (Wed, 6 Apr 94 18:12:34 PDT)
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~Subject: Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 3 of 3. One of my past lives on this planet I was told that I was a spanish soldier in service the King and Queen of Spain. We had captured some of the Mayan Indians and made them slaves to mine their own silver and was sending it back to Spain for the King and Queen. We kept some of it back and buried it forty feet down in a water well. My friend in this life was also with me in that life. He went back down there in this life and dug up a truck load of silver in that well and came out real well financially. There is said to be three times that amount of silver in a different place in the same area. I asked a pyschic friend of mine where it was and she told me its location. Now back to the third and last part of the information about past lives. .......................................................................... Upon our first meeting, Weiss hypnotized me (JW the author of this information). I did not experience past-life recall but what he calls "a mystical experience." From my descripiton of the people in two separate scenes, it's clear to Weiss and to me that they are symbolic of an important relationship I'm having with a man Weiss believes I've also know in previous lifetimes and even in between, in the "spirit state." Since treating Catherine, Weiss, 49, has researched not only reincarnation, but Eastern and Western religions, mysticism, quantum physics, and intuitive and paranormal experiences. He does not come across as some kind of guru, nor does he want to be. He's simply a doctor, he says, who's become enlightened." Much to his surprise, his work has been taken seriously by many in the psychiatric community. Even some skeptics find value in his books. "I can't say that these experinces were actual memories of past lives," says Steven Warner, Miami hypontherapist and expert in multiple- personality disorders. "It's possible they were fantasy material similar to screen memory - an indirect way of describing a problem. But there's a powerfullness to the unconscious. Whatever is happening, I don't believe these 'past life' memories are a sham." In 1992, shortly before publicaiton of his second book, Through Time into Healing, the University of Miami notified Weiss that it wouldn't be renewing his teaching contract. Weiss has no doubt that his work with past-life therapy provoked this action. But a week before, the University of Pittsburgh's Medical School showed interest in a longitudinal study to see if gains by patients in this therapy persist over time. Conducting this study from Miami, Weiss has also spoken at the Yale Medical Scool psychiatry department and divinity schools. During our second meeting, he spoke enthusiastically about how even the federal government is taking alternative therapies seriously, citing the NIH's new Office of Alternative Medicine, which he calls "the Office of Far- Out Stuff." His work with past-life therapy has helped not only his patients, he acknowledges, but himself - Nina L. Diamond. JW There is still quite a bit more about questions and answers to Dr. Weiss but I will stop this information at this point. The End. Part 3 of 3. Source of Information: Omni magazine, April 1994. John Winston.UFO Convention. Part 2. (Sat, 30 Apr 94 17:25:31 PDT)
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~Subject: UFO Conference. Part 2. Here we go again with our second part of the discussion of the things that will be seen at the 4th annual National New Age, Comic Conspiracies & UFO Conference in San Diego, Calif. on May 20 to 23, 1994..... ............................................................................. Lecture Session 4 Special Guest from Switzerland Workshop: Sun 5:00 PM LILIANE BADER Presents techniques & meditations to dissolve emotional fears, uncertainty & stress involving UFO abductions. Channeler for the Messenger "Vywamus" of the Spiritual Hierarchy. -------------------------------- FIRST PUBLIC APPEARANCE - EVER COME AND HEAR VANCE DAVIS Formerly of Military Intelligence Leader of the GULF BREEZE SIX Keynote Address: Saturday 7:00 PM Session, Workshop Saturday 3:00 PM Hosted by Sean David Morton Decorated Army Intelligence Specialist Vance Davis went AWOL from his post in 1990 with five other high-level operatives, all with Top Secret Clearance 20 levels above the President of the United States. According to his own account, it all started when Davis and the others began to receive psychic warnings about forth coming Earth Changes, and an attempt by "covert elements" within the military to establish a "Multiple Jurisdictional Task Force," that would restore "law and order" by breaching the U.S. Constitution and replacing the FBI, the National Guard, FDS, DEA and IRS with a "National Police Force" known as the "Black Guard." As Davis later revealed, "We were told we needed to get out of the military because they said, 'It's not going to be good in there. We asked 'Why?' and the response was, 'Because they are going to start marking soldiers,' and they didn't want us to be marked!" Headline stories - beamed around the globe - claimed the AWOL intelligence operatives had left their post in Germany, snuck back into the U.S., and had headed straight for Gulf Breeze, Florida, in an attempt to destroy the Antichrist who it is predicted by then would appear on the world scene very shortly. There was speculation among the UFOlogical community that Davis and the others had gone to Gulf Breeze because of its connection with the repeated sightings of spacecraft. Some individuals even thought that Ed Walters - the famed abductee who took a series of close-up photos of UFOs, including one on the roadway in front of his truck - somehow was tied in with this scenario, and association that was later denied. To this day, Davis does not fully understand how the entire affair go so far out of hand, that there's a possibility that forces loyal to the "New World Order" were working hard behind the scenes to foster a disinformation campaign against the AWOL soldiers that went way beyond the norm, clearly showing the near mass hysteria that was being conveyed by the military in what was seen by them as a clear "breach of security." Due to the sensational nature of the case, interest among the journalistic community was at an all-time high. Even former NASA scientist Jacques Vallee couldn't wait to get his two cents worth in on the debate. In his book, Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, Vallee reviewed the many bizarre aspects of the entire episode: "{After they were arrested} from Fort Benning the six deserters were quickly transferred to Fort Knox, and a remarkable series of events was set into motion. The army simply cleared them in a routine espionage investigation, issued them general discharges, and turned them loose. The curious UFOlogist, at this point, has the right to ask a few disturbing questions. For instance, how on earth did these soldiers know exactly one month in advance that a war was about to erupt {with Saddam Hussein} in the Middle East? What motivated the incredible leniency of the Army when it simply discharged six intelligence communications specialists who had been missing for a whole week? And how did these soldiers manage to elude the FBI and the army for so long? How did they get back into the United States without being picked up by immigration officers, who surely must have had their names prominently highlighted on their computer list at every port of entry?" Vallee believes that, "The whole saga reeks of collusion and manipulation at a high level. and the manipulation must have been engineered by someone exquisitely familiar with the UFO scene, someone who exploited the soldiers' expectation of a massive UFO event in Gulf Breeze." Going further in his rationale, Vallee seems to think that the entire matter might have been "officially closed" due to a blackmail threat that occurred when the Florida media received a "very strange teletype communication" that read: US ARMY FREE THE GULF BREEZE SIX, WE HAVE THE MISSING FILES, THE BOX OF 500+ PHOTOS AND PLANS YOU WANT BACK. Indeed up until he steps behind the speakers platform and prepares to speak before those attending the 4th Annual National New Age, Cosmic Conspiracies and UFO Conference (San Diego, May 20-23, 1994), Vance Davis has managed to keep rather silent about the major events that caused a distinctive change in his life. And while his former position in the military should swear him to absolute secrecy, Davis feels it is very important "at this time" to come forward and discuss the many revelations that came to the Gulf Breeze Six from entities not of this place and time. "All of us are very patriotic," Vance has stated. "I personally believe in the Constitution. I believe in this country. I will die for this country, even to this day, the true meaning of this country, what the Founding Fathers did, not what it is now. I believe in freedom of thought. I believe in freedom of choice and when that choice is taken away I will die for it, and that choice is being taken away." For the first time, Davis will explain how the Gulf Breeze Six came to be involved in this "high drama," of intrigue that lead to them receiving a list of 56 specific predictions and nearly 1500 pages of notes. Davis will reveal the possible identity of the Antichrist: the existence of various races of alien beings who continue to arrive on Earth; our economic future and collapse of society and much, much, more. In his Workshop (to be co- hosted by Sean Morton and given on Saturday, May 21 at 3:00 PM), Davis will try to draw upon the same energies that provided so much accurate information to the Gulf Breeze Six, in order to enable those attending to receive first- hand information about the times just ahead - which will include many dramatic shifts in awareness for each and every one of us. This promises to be an incredible experience nobody should miss. JW Well, how about that? Part 2. John Winston.UFO Convention. Part 3. (Sun, 1 May 94 06:27:19 PDT)
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~Subject: UFO Convention. Part 3. Now here is a part of the convention that interests me, Lay Lines, or sometimes called Ley Lines. Here we go................ ................................................................. TONY CUNEO FENG-SHUI/GEOMANCY, EARTH MAGIC AND LAY LINES When he was 21, Tony had a serious accident that almost cost him his life. After his recovery, one night he was approached by a man who told him not to be concerned, that his situation would improve and that he should be encouraged to keep studying and learning and some day he would become a teacher, healer, author, speaker and leader of people through the Earth Changes, into the new world. In his thirties, Tony studied in Egypt, and while he was at Potmas in Greece, in the cave where John wrote the Book of Revelation, a mysterious figure approached him and sent him to the monastery to study the ancient relics of the past. Altogether he has practiced and studied with Medicine Men, Kahunas, Black Hat Taoists, Rabbis, Meditation Masters and Secret Societies. His presentation will be on Feng-Shui/Geomancy, Earth Magic, Lay Lines and how they affect your life, money, health, home relationships and work every minute of you life. Lecture: Saturday 7:00 PM Session Work shop: Sunday: 3:00 PM. -------------------------- TED LOMAN UFOS & ALIEN ENCOUNTERS FROM ANCIENT TO MODERN TIMES In 1989, Ted was partially blinded in an accident. Returning home to recuperate, Loran's father read to him from several UFO books. Intrigued by what he heard, Ted started an in-depth study that led him to produce his own television show, UFOS AZ, which can now be seen in his native Tucson, AZ. as well as in Florida, Idaho, Washington, San Jose and most recently on Channel 16 in New York (Sunday, 10:00 PM). Sometimes the shows are serious - we have on dozens of credible observers as well as most of the leading authorities - other times we might look at the lighter side. One time we interviewed a 'weather balloon,' in that skeptics often think most UFO sightings can be explained in this manner. Having gathered a mass of material, Ted is able to trace the history of the UFO phenomenon from ancient times to the present in a completely objective manner that few other can do. Lecture: Fri. 7:00 PM Session Workshop Sat. 11:00 AM. -------------------- JESSIE P. GARCIA MY VISION ON OF THE VIRGIN MARY AND VISITORS FROM TYMATHIAS At five, Jessie was taken on a craft by the Tymathians,(JW Boy, I never even heard of them before), a very tall and highly spiritual group of space beings. They left him with a gift of prophecy that enables him to see the future. At 21, Jessie had a vision of the Virgin Mary that heightened his psychic powers. His presentation deals with Earth Changes, the meaning of the Aztec Calendar, the truth about the shroud of Torin and where Moses really took the people of Egypt. He will be sharing his workshop with noted metaphysical teacher Helga Morrow, and together they will lift the veil of mystery that surrounds many vital subjects. Lecture: Sunday 10:00 AM Session Workshop: Sunday: 3:00 PM. JW That's it for now. Part 3. Source Of Information: National New Age, Cosmic Conspiracies & UFO Conference. The Travelodge (619) 492-8588. John Winston.Earth Women And Spacemen. (Sat, 21 May 94 17:09:34 PDT)
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~Subject: Two Earth Ladies And Two Space Gentlemen. Here is some information that has come my way about the encounter of a couple of Earth women. Here we go............... ................................................................ It all began when my sister, Betty, and I were in a downtown St. Louis coffee shop. We had been shopping and had stopped off to get a coke and refresh ourselves. While in the coffee shop we were approached in a very mannerly way by two gentlemen dressed in grey suits, who managed to interrupt into our private conversation. As they spoke to us we found that they were from a huge mother-craft orbiting the planet Earth, and that their names were Elen and Zelas. They told us that we had been very closely watched by the Space People for the last eight years, and that our progress had been noted off and on from the time of our birth. Betty and I were both inclined to think that someone was playing a silly joke on us and we laughed when they told us this, but they were not laughing and were serious and stern. We were strangely shocked, however, when they told us of a few incidents in our childhood that no one could have possible known except the family. They told us that we had been selected as contacts by the people of space to serve as channels through which they could give certain information to Earth, and that we had been carefully watched, as I stated before. They told us of the reasons why the space people were coming to Earth and that they were here to guide Earth along the lines of Brotherhood and Science. We were very much amazed at their words, and we noted particularly the kindness and warmth that shone in their eyes. With a single glance from them we seemed to sense the vast wisdom and brotherhood which they must have lived among. After talking with us for a little over two hours they left and told us they would contact us again, but it was not until a week later that we were impelled to again return to the same coffee shop. When we entered the door we again saw one of the Space Brothers, and he gave us instructions at that time for building a device whereby we could contact the Space People. His instructions were explicit and precise, for he warned us that unless we placed every piece of the device in the proper place we would not be able to contact them with it. We were not allowed to take the drawn diagram of the device with us, but we had to remember it as it was explained to us. When we obtained the proper pieces for the device we constructed it when we returned home, and were happy to find the results were satisfactory. We were amazed when we tuned in on the mother craft and spoke with the same person we had earlier seen. We were also allowed to speak with the commander of the craft, who at that time was know as Alna. In the following six months we spoke many times with the space people through the device, and received much information about their homes, sciences and craft. In November of '57 I was alone in downtown St. Louis on business then I was again contacted by the space people and at their request went with them by automobile into Illinois where we drove to a heavily wooded area. There, I was told, was where they landed when they had business or contacts to make in St. Louis. Settled back behind an old barn was a circular craft that I judged to be approximately nine feet in height, and about 38 feet in diameter. It had a domed top, but no portholes. The sliding door was open and there was a uniformed operator sitting at the controls. I was nervous although I knew no harm would come for me, and I was visibly shaking, but Zelas only smiled as though to reassure me. The flight to the mother craft took approximately 15 minutes, and I was told the magnetism of the small craft would not affect my watch since it would be balanced by the magnetism of my own body. However, while in the mother craft the magnetism of it caused my watch to stop, and it was demagnetized in a small machine before I left. Inside the mother craft we entered the huge receiving room for the smaller craft. There were many huge machines in this room, and there were also many other uniformed men standing around obviously working upon the machines or moving them about. They glanced at us when we entered , but then returned to their work as before. The hall that we entered was softly lit and was curved both at the ceiling and corners. We entered the first room to the right which appeared to be a room for relaxing. There were divans and contoured chairs with white upholstering that had a thread or design of golden hue woven in it. The room was meticulous and vast, and as I stood observing the beauty of it three uniformed men approached us. Their uniforms were of a blue-grey color with a slight metallic look, and I learned the jodphur type boots they wore were actually attached to the uniforms, and were not a separate piece of apparel. The uniforms were soft to the touch and the texture of velvet. I was then introduced to three men and learned that one was Alna, the commander of all craft operation upon Earth. Alna spoke with a very heavy accent, and was much darker than any of the other. His skin had a high bronze tint to it, as compared with the lighter complexions of the others. JW I find it good to have this all explained from a women's point of view. Part 1. Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER, 1994. John Winston.Earth Ladies Meet Space Gentlemen. Part 2. (Sun, 22 May 94 17:21:05 PDT)
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~Subject: Earth Ladies Meet Gentlemen From Space. Part 2. At the close of our last discussion we had a lady aboard a space craft. We will now continue....................................................... ........................................................................... From this room I was shown the control section where I was told our calls were received when we operated our device. Here they placed a call through to our telephone in St.Louis by adjusting a series of dials, and I was allowed to speak with Betty and tell her that I was with the Brothers. I was also shown a scope similar to a television screen, the only difference being this was at a slight elevation on the control counter, instead of standing up at eye level or in a box type cabinet which our television sets consist of. This scope could obviously reflect any particualr building or house that the space people desired to observe, and when I looked at the scope when Alna requested me to do so, I could see the inside areas of my home and could see my sister, mother and the children moving about. It was as though the entire roof ahd been removed and only the walls remained of the house. When I asked them how this was done, they explained that the first set of vibrations that left the roof were erased and the vibrations of the furniture and people inside were received on the scope, and therefore it appeared as though the instruments in the control seciton were actually looking through the building. From this section we entered another much larger control section and I watched other uniformed men going about their work with much deftness and swiftness. I was told then that we were going to dine, and when we entered the dining area it appeared as a vast empty room. However, tables and chairs rose from the floor section, and I dined with them after humbly and repectfully listening to a prayer Alna said in the Universal Tongue. The food consisted of three different types, and a drink similar to apricot nectar was enjoyed. There was little conversation during the meal, and when all had almost finished Alna told me I could witness a dance performed by two of the Space Brothers. This dance was most unusual and fast, during which the two men passed a small object from one to the other, sometimes throwing it in the air and catching it before it fell upon the floor. I expressed my thanks to Alna for allowing me to see this, and when we left the dining area we moved down the hall to what obviously was an entertainment room where the Brothers spent many relaxing hours. Many men were in the room, some sitting at tables and others playing a game similar to our Shuffleboard. I was asked if I would like to try the game, and after watching Alna I understood simply how it was done. A round colored disc about four inches in diameter was placed on the floor in a particular square, and by mind power alone the disc was to move across the floor to another particular square. This section of the floor was electrically charged and receptive to the thought waves leaving a person's mind. Alna took a blue disc tht was handed to him and placed it on the floor causing it to move a considerable distance. Then I was handed a red disc and asked to try. I was doubtful if it would work for me, and the only thing I could think of was to silently command the disc to "Go.": I was amazed when the disc moved slowly up the floor, but quite some distance from that of Alna's. When I glanced at my watch and noticed it had stopped, it brought Alna's attention and he said for this time he felt I shoud not be held up longer from my other activities, and that a second trip would be longer. It was then that he took my watch and placed it in a small machine in the first control section and then set it for me, obtraining the proper time from a scope that contained many symbols and crossed lines on it. Then with Zelas and Benen I returned to the craft receiving room and entered again a smaller craft with them. I do not know exactly what series of air locks the craft enter and leave the mother craft, but there was a large dark section upon the floor in the receiving room and as we entered the smaller craft to leave Zelas pointed it out and told me that was the area where the craft left. The trip back was quick and short, and as we drove back to St. Louis I recounted in my mind all the things I had seen. Being alone, I wanted to be able to tell anyone else as much as I could; however, we decided that we would not then tell everyone else of our experiences until we had enought information to relay to the public. Last year at Buck's Convention we were called upon to speak, but we were neither prepared nor expecting that we would be called upon for a speech. I did, however, say a few words and since that time we have delivered several lectures to various groups. (JW I wonder if they are talking about Buck Nelson's Convention. He has been dead for a long time.) Part 2. Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE. SUMMER, 1994. John Winston.Earth Ladies And Space Gentlemen. Part 3. (Mon, 23 May 94 07:37:26 PDT)
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~Subject: Two Ladies Meet Two Space Gentlemen. Part 3. We will now go into the third part of our discussion of two ladies and their interplay with the space men......................................... ........................................................................... A few weeks later we were contacted by the Brothers and were told that the Martian Council had requested us to speak of the powerful effects of the A and H bombs and ALSO the future of those responsible for their evil. When we were told these requests we asked for information to give Earth's people, and the following is what they gave us. It was prepared by one of the Brothers know as Sigt. I wil go directly into his message and then would like to take up a subject that many people have questioned us about-such subjects as evil flying saucers and evil space people, also strange phenonema that seem to defy natural law will be spoken of. Now, I would like to give you Sigt's message: "Earth's scientists are creating around planet Earth the most deadly condition to material man than ever {has been before}. The explosions of the A and |H bombs are placing the residue particles of radioactivity into all the materials of Earth. Each human being upon Earth now carries a certain degree of radioactivity in their bones and systems. Why should it be significant to hear of this when you cannot see the radioactivity, nor hear it as it does much destructive work? "In the advanced laboratories of Mars we have proved the detructibility of such uncontrolled energy. Radioactivity drops, upon the grass, buildings and people after being carried by the air currents around an explosion. This energy is in minute particles that have the effect of deterioration to the molecules of all material things. This radioactivity settles around an object or body and penetrates the outer area of the surface or skin. What does radioactivity look like, you many wonder. "As an explanation, many of you have seen small dust spirals along the streets or in a dusty area that swirl around and around in circles that then seem to disappear. Radioactivity has the same effect and looks very similar as it settles around a body. The small particles are caught up in a swirling counter-clock-wise motion that cause them to be driven down into the surface of the body cells. This energy, once inside the body, offsets the balance of the normal cell and causes it to become either agitated into more activity as it tries to cast back out of the system, or else the radioactivity attacks cells that are already weakened by illness, and immediately sets up a destruction of them. " When this new activity occurs in a normal cell a powerful microscope would reveal the atomical structure of the cell is creating a counter offensive action that is clockwise as compared to the counter-clockwise motion of the radiactivity. When this occurs, there is eventually a breaking down of the cell's motion, for as the explosions of the A and H bombs continue the aciton of the radioactivity is strengthened by this and overpowers the clockwise motion of the body cels that are attempting to throw off the radioactivity. Thus, the body cells are forced to become activated in the same manner. This creates a drawing together or constriction of the cells and creates abnormal conditions and illnesses. As the radioactivity increases the rate of motion increases around each body living on Earth. This changes the cell formaiton and in the next gereration this inherent conditon is accentuated by the accumulated mass of more radioactivity. In the second and third generations these changes are visible as definite deformations of the body, and this in turn, if not controlled, will lead to a generation of mutants. "What does radioactivity sound like? I will try to explain. Many people are receptive to certain high vibratory sounds that are derived from the atomic explosions, and are the elemnetal changes in the atmospheres of earth. These high pitched sounds are very serious, for they can almost pierce the very soul consciousness, and cause changes there. The consciousness of Man is being affected every day by these vibrations that these explosions have created, and unless these are altered or until the explosions of this nature are stopped the Mind of Man will be changed in drastic measures. Some of these notes can cause a perfectly healthy person to develop a fatal illness, some can affect the mental processes terribly, other of these vibrations, if not altered within the consciousness of the indivdual, can cause one to commit acts that otherwise would not be done. But most serious indeed are the changes in the atomical structures of the atmospheres of Earth. Here the greatest battle of all is arising. The Earth wants to separate with this activity, but the consciousnesses of the higher evolved here upon Earth and in Space are preventing this, until Earth can adjust. "How can you stop this from happening? The answer is simply stop the unnecessary test of these bombs. For those who maintain it is necessary to show the military strength, we can only say what strength is there to be shown that deprives the people, vegetation and animals of a perfectly beautiful and attainable future otherwise. Is it truly possible that the {deceivability} of such destructive weapons can replace sane, sound acitons of better living? It is necessary now for the Space People living upon Earth to take protective measures or otherwise suffer the same effects from radioactivity as the citizens. It is not possible for us to give Earth's people enough of the protectors without the cooperation of the governments, and such cooperation is at present unattainable. The continuance of these tests are affecting all responsible for them, and if one accepts reincarnation as an answer it would be definitely seen why no one here or responsible for these tests would want to re-live again in mutated bodies of the future generations. If reincarnation be unacceptable to the average person, then the knowledge that these tests are mutating their children and their children's children should be sufficient reason for stopping them. Our warning to Earth is cease you tests and save you future." What the Space People are trying to make clear in this message and many others similar to this is that Earth is now in a most perilous situation, and faces self-destruction of humanity. In the two years we have contacted the Brothers they have been concerned and talked most frequently about the destructibility of the A and H Bombs. Speaking of this destruction, the questions I mentioned earlier come to my mind, and that is concerning the evil flying saucers and evil space people. JW Wasn't Carl Sagan part of a protest group for something or another? Part 3. Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER, 1994. John Winston.Earth Ladies and Space Gentlemen. Part 4. (Mon, 23 May 94 22:04:18 PDT)
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~Subject: Earth Women and Space Gentlemen. Part 4. Now onward and upward to the fourth part of a lady meeting space people... ............................................................................ First, we must consider the evidence presented. There have been saucers that were reported as having a negative effect upon people by burning them or causing nausea, etc. And in some instances there have been cases reported where people have been assaulted by beings that havee merged from some saucers and actually attacked them. The descriptions of these beings have been generally of a small type of people who were unusually crafty or mischievous and who actualy grasp people and attempted to drag them into their craft. Wher do these beings come from, and why are they entering this system? No doubt most of you will agree there is a tremendous battle going on between the good and the bad, which concerns all thoughts, actions and influences. From thousands of years ago to the present age this battle between right and wrong has been waged against civilizaiton and has balanced first in favor of the good and righteous, and then turning and swaying in favor of the wicked or evil. This strange course of events has been necessary for certain conditions to prevail upon Earth, so that beneficial results would come about. The devastating bubonic plague that swept Eruope in the Dark Ages was indeed a terrible thing and was judged to be just that by the people, but this negative condition actually paved the way for more sanitary conditions. All evil will give way to the good, and all wrong has a right. The space people that have negative qualities about them are coming from farther space systems, although I do not wish to imply that all space craft from farther systems is evil. Many of the craft from farther systems are very good and are also trying to help Earth; however, it is only those certain evil systems that we should consider when I say those from a farther system than our own. It is these negative beings who are here for the purpose of actually taking people from Earth to indoctrinate them with their ideas, so they in turn will cause confusion and disturbances upon the planet. The true purpose behind this is to prevent harmony and peace, for they are in alliance with those beings living in Earth, who themselves will be forced to leave Earth when peace and brotherhood is completed. The gains that these negative people obtain from their alliance with those other negatives in Earth is not know by us, but it must be quite profitable for them to engage so actively against the Space Brothers who are trying to help Earth. The Space Brothers who are trying to help Earth have to contend with these craft and beings form other less desirable systems, and also have to contend with the disbelieving masses of people who either do not know of the need for harmony and peace or those who do not want to listen to their urgent requests. The job of the Space Brothers is not easy, for it is necessary to prepare the people of Earth to accept their existemce, and also to guide them in proper understanding so that peace and co-existence will be possible. Many people seem to feel that the negative beings are only from planet Earth and consists only of those fallen angels who were cast out of heaven by a Supreme Command from the Most High. Many can quote the proper passages of the Bible and prove that there are fallen angels living here on Earth, who cause the necessary confusion and evil which we here must live among. There are those intelligneces of superior powers who we would call fallen angels living on Earth, but it is not wholly from them that the evil or bad flying saucers come. As you look up into the sky at night you see multitudes of stars, planets and suns moving on in beautiful orbits. However, if you could move out through space and watch the barbarous conditons that exist upon some of these stars you would be shocked. There are some systems advanced in scientific accomplishments to the degree of mastery over space, but those systems have advanced in science alone and have little spiritual advancement. They come here to Earth and to other planets in farther systems to form alliance with those intelligneces who will provide them the necessary fulfillment of their evil desires and wishes. Planet Earth is now visited by such craft, whose occupants live and profit from the unrest and disharmony present. Who can truly say what percent of our actions are fueling these beings with necessary materials and profit. What these profits are cannot be said by us, for only each one of us in our own understanding can know in Truth what their actions consist of that could be used as a fuel by the negative ones. These negatives can present very good arguments and can deceive the unwary in many ways. Their goal is to conquer and win, without any concern how they do it. They may use one form of attraction one time and anothee the next. Now, how, you probably think, do we know about this. I can only say that many times, more than we have recorded or remembered, we have been interrupted in our attempts to contact the brothers by means of our device, and then encounter the beamed transmission of a negative craft. In many instances these beings have mocked our efforts and have belittled the Brothers and us. Other times they have lied and said they were the M-4 Section of Mars and they had a nessage for us from the Council, and that we were to say such-and such or else we were to stop speaking altogether. Patience is a good way to win with their persistence, for they cannot persist too long without gettin angry and revealing themsleves. Once we were interrupted by them and told flatly who they were and what they wanted us to do. They asked us to prepare a book for them and expose the whole untruth connected with the story of the fallen angels. This book was to be belivered by one of their very advanced minds, and to be created in manuscript form by us and offered for publication. JW I wonder if this lady ever met any Space ladies? Part 4. Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER 1994. John Winston.