John Winston: Collection 4

Collection 4

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Omni, Bob Lazar And UFOs. (Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:17:49 PST)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Omni, Bob Lazar And UFOs.

  I don't know when or if I will finish up the discussions of the topics
PALM LEAF READING and THE NEW YORK TIMES AND UFOs but I just got some 
information about Bob Lazar and UFOs so we will now go to that information.
I hope this shift in thought will not blow your minds........................
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                          Project Galileo

  Name: Bob Lazar, independent contract scientist and businessman
   
Claim: To have worked as a propulsion-system engineer in late 1988 and early
1989 on one of nine extraterrestrial spacecraft being researched and tested
on the Nelis Air Range in central Nevada. 

  Background: From 1982 to 1984, Lazar claims he worked at Los Alamos
National Laboratory in New Mexico in the Meson Physics lab with a Q-level
security clearance.  In 1985, while on vacation in Nevada, he wound up
buying into a legal Reno brothel; the investment proved so profitable that
he didn't have to return to full-time employment for a while.  He moved to 
Nevada in 1986.  In 1988, he wanted to get back into scientific work and was
hired, he says, to work on the top-secret Project Galileo.  Lazar passed
a lie-detector test in 1989, arranged by George Knapp, then an anchorman for
KLAS-TV, the CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, Nevada, for a special locally aired
series, UFOs: The Best Evidence.

  The Story: "In 1988, I decided to reenter the scientific community and sent
resumes to various people.  Finally, I interviewed with a placement firm
to work for the Department of Naval Intelligence in a civilian capacity, 
and in the fall of 1988, I was hired on an on-call basis to work on a project
involving advanced propulsion systems.  At that point, that's all I knew.

  "Not long after, I was flown along with several others out to area 51 on 
the Nellis Air Range.  There, we were put on a bus with blacked-out windows
and driven about 15 miles south to the Papoose dry lake bed, bordered by the 
Papoose Mountains, where there was an installation they called 'S4.`

  "I was introduced to my supervisor and a co-worker and then given a stack
of briefings on various projects, including Project Galileo, which was 
devoted to the study of nine disc-shaped extraterrestrial craft that were 
somehow acquired by the U.S. government.

  "I was assigned back enegineering tasks on the reactor and gravity-
propulsion system of one of the discs -- essentially to help figure out 
what made it work.  I don't know whether it was a crash retrieval, although 
I doubt it, because the disc didn't appear damaged in any way.  In the 
briefing reports, there were pictures of several discs along with some of the
informtion they ahd already obtained from back engineering research.
  
  "I was stunned and exhilarated at the sme time.  But there were well-armed
guards everwhere, and this place wasn't exactly the kind of environment 
where you could just start asking any and every question you had.  Security
in fact, was oppressive.  You were escorted everywhere, even the bathroom.
And if your I.D. badge was just the slightest bit out of place, you would
be tackled by a guard and held with a gun to your head until your supervisor
arrived.  And the guards lived for that.

  "At times, the whole thing seemed just surreal.  Ther was a poster of the 
disc I was working on, which I bubbed the Sport Model, on several walls.
It read, They're here.

  "I dealt with only the power sources and propulsion systems on one of the 
discs, and I did enter that one disc on several occasions.  The disc was 
approximately 15 feet tall and about 52 feet in diameter. It had the 
appearance of brushed stainless steel or brushed aluminum.  I didn't run a
test on it, so I don't know if it was metal, but I did run my hands down
the side of it getting in, and it felt cold, like metal, and it looked like
metal.  It had no physical seams, no welds or bolts or rivets, and it looked
as if it were injection molded.

JW They have a picture of Bob Lazar in the article.

Part 1.

Source Of Material: Omni Magazine, April, 1994.

John Winston         

Remote Viewing. Part 1 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:51:53 PST)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 1 of 3. 

  Here is some informtion about Remote Viewing that Lady R. sent me. She
can really do it........................................................
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<The following speech was given by Major General Stubblebine, an 
important advocate of the military use of psi and related techniques>

MAJOR GENERAL ALBERT N. STUB BLEBINE, III
 
LECTURE ON REMOTE VIEWlNG AS A RESEARCH TOOL
 
International Symposium on UFO Research
Sponsored by the International  Association for New Science
Denver, Colorado, May 22-25, 1992
 
(Introduction by Dr. Steven Greer of Gen. (Ret.) Stubblebine's
military career as Commanding officer of the U.S. Army Intelligence
and Security Command (INSCOM), his efforts to study unusual human
performance for the Army, his involvement as Chairman of the Board of
Directors of Psi-Tech, his association with TREAT and with Soviet
Technology Transfer, etc
 
GEN. STUBBLEBINE: (Begins with casual remarks on "why a person like
me is in a place like this talking to a group of people like you on a
subject like wherever it is we are talking today; continues with
casual jokes about rapturing the audience, ethnic jokes about
Hittites "with a slight Japanes flavor" about kamakaze pilots on WW2,
leading to the phrase, "Are you ou of your f------ mind? That, ladies
and gentlemen, is the title of this talk because what I plan to talk
is remote viewing"). 
So what is remote viewing? (From now abbreviated as RV--ed.) First of
all, it is a very systematic, very controlled method of accessing
inforrnation that is not normally available by any other source,
that's about fi~ll isn't it? Accessible information that is not
accessible by any other source. I told you, if you either did it or
believe in it, you probably would be out of your mind because
everyone knows that that is not a doable do, can't do that, however,
we can and we do, so first of all let me tell you a little bit about
what remote viewing is. 
It is independent of time, OK? So I can go past, I can go present, I
can go future. It is independent of location, so I can go anywhere on
this earth, I can go into any closet, I can go into any mind, I can
access that information at any location that I choose. It is
independent of space, therefore, I can access that information any
place in on the planet or off of it if I choose; and it is
independent of countermeasures, I believe I put a caveat on the last
one, not a caveat on the first, small caveat on the last one because
all of the research has not been done at this stage on the counter
measures. There are indications that some counter measures are
possible, we have bumped on indications of counter measures but that
piece of research has not been done at this stage of the game, so I
believe it is independent of most counter measures, I am not totally
convinced that is independent of all countermeasures. 
What is remote viewing not, if I can screw my English there? What
will RV not do, OK? Well, first of all, it is not a panacea, it is
not a end-all to all end-alls, it provides threads, it provides
ldeas, it provides detailed information, but it should not, we do not
and should not be used as an absolute panacea, an absolute truth; it
needs to be, that information that's gleaned from the RV set needs to
be taken and co-related with all other information that you know in
order to make the picture that you then makes decisions and
recommendations from there is a lot of differences between using it
as an end-all and using it a a tool, as a tool to provide you
information that you- cannot get in other ways and to make sense of
the picture that you think, there is a lot of difference between
using it as gospel and using it as a tool to be integrated with the
rest of the tools that are available. 
What is it not? lt does not not at this stage of the game, do numbers
well nor does it do words well or letters well. For instance, I could
not go in and read a report that is in somebody's safe, I might be
able to get the essence of that report but I could not read it, I can
get sensings of it but I cannot at this stage of the game go in and
do the reading, and numbers or particular hard letters are hard, OK?
What is it not? It is not a tool to be used by the callous or the
undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or
another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word
has all kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to
help, not a tool that is to be used for illicit purposes, so that
gives you a little bit of an idea of what it can do and what it can't
do. 
I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and
natural or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very
frequently from people who don't understand when they listen to the
words that I am talking about, so they say, ah! but I know a psychic
who does, so they say what is the difference between what you do in a
RV sense and what they do in a pure natural, psychic fashion or
manner? There are a couple of differences and the first one is the
training- The training for our viewers in a one year, six- stage
training course, one year six stages, OK? so there is an incredible
amount of very carefully monitored, very carefully metered very
carefully controlled process that is taught to all of our remote
viewers, and as Steven (Greer--ed.) indicated, I am the Chairman of
the Board of this company called Psi Tech and we have six remote
viewers, all of whom have been through the one year training as well as
a lot of expierence of doing RV itself, each one of those is a very
well trained, very controlled person, very highly disciplined
individual- Sometime ago when we had the draft, we haven't had the
draft in the Army for a long period of time, but at one time the
Pentagon was considering the kind of people it ought to draft, the
ones that would really make good soldiers, and the conclusion was
that they should be married, and somebody said, I understand, very
simple, they learn how to take orders. Well, yes, true of the people
who do the RV, they must be willing to follow the instructions, the
sort of programming, the methodology that is used. 
The second major discipline in all of this is that there is a very
carefully established protocol or methodology through which and by
which remote viewers are actaully given their task and how they do
both their RV as well as their reporting, so there is an incredibly
tight protocol established to make sure that the information that we
are getting out of the data bank--and let me through out a theorem,
that there is a huge data bank that exists out there that can be
accessed, OK? there is a huge bank out there, all you got to do is go
access it, who can access it? Anybody, anybody can access that data
bank, alright, these remote viewers did not have any special psychic
abilities before we select to training, they didn't, OK? they were
just like you and I, or almost, but pretty close, they were just
straight normal people who we trained to do this process.
Incidentally, how many people in this audience either think they are,
or believe they are or play at being a psychic, or do psychic
channeling, readings or anyhting (It seems that first there is only 
a small show of hands that grows at Stubblebine's urging--ed.) The
difference between the two is first of all the training, second the
controlled mechanisms in which we handle our remote viewers. 
Now let me kind of walk you through a typical problem to give you
some sense of how it occurs. Lets assume an airplane crash, its
relatively easy task to do, all we do is we take three of our viewers
and we will tell those three viewers as much information about the
crash as we know, a) it was an airplane, b) it was Pan-Am, c) it was
flying over wherever, Colorado, and it was at such and such a time
and it disappeared, and no one knows where it went, OK? What
happened? The other three, now, we don't do that, all we do with the
other three is we give them a controlled coordinate, incidentally the
controlled coordinate is not the coordinate of the plane crash site
because we don't know where that is, it is nothing more than a
control for the controller of the exercise to measure that all of the
remote viewers are on the same sheet of music. Each of the viewers
now goes in and independently does his or her thing--incidentally all
of our viewers right now are males, however, I have had female
viewers and so that's not, how do I express it? Right now we are very
sexist, we have all males, however, that is not a bar to do RV, as a
matter of fact women do very, very well as long as we can get them to
the controlled protocol. I will tell you that one who we tried to
train who was already a natural psychic, did not work well because
the natural psychic ability kept overiding the control mechanisms and
therefore we were having trouble making sure that everything stayed
within the discipline and within the control box. The all six then go
off independently and do their thing, and when they come back, they
write out their report and provide each of the six reports to the
controller, the controller now takes the six reports and begins to
analyze the reports to see wherc the similarities and where the
differences are, and from that, you then decide, or the controller
decides whether you need to send that viewer back into session again
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for additional detail. For instance, and it frequently happens that
one viewer will get a tail number or an indication of a tail number,
you know, I told you numbers are hard but the tail numbers are
relatively large numbers and so sometimes you can get an indication
of the tail number; the sencond one will get you a crash site that is
on top of a mountain or a third of the way down the mountain; another
one may get you a piece of a coordinate or get you a coordinate, know
exactly where that is, another one will get you that everybody is
dead or most are dead but some are still alive, so you get different
essences out of the six remote viewers. 

JW So that is what Lady R. said he said.

John Winston.

Remote Viewing. Part 2 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 19:18:41 PST)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 2 of 3.

Incidentally the remote viewers do not have to be on a single
location, and most of ours are not, many are in the larger Washington
metroplitan area, but one of them is in Minnesota and another one is
out in Kansas, so they do not need to be co-located when they are
doing their work. Each sesslon incidentally is about a 45 minute
session, we find that you go much beyond 45 minutes and you are
beginning to run into lapses or a lapse in the energy field and you
begin to slip off the quality of the information, so we try to limit
the sessions to about 45 minutes. After the controller has taken a
look at each one of the reports, he then decides on what additional
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work needs to be done, do you send it back to get additional data or
you are satisfied with what you got, you have enough now that you can
go out and write a report for the individual or the company that paid
you to do the RV to begin with, so that gives you at least a sense of
how one of these projects would work. 
Let me talk now about some examples. I mentioned that you can go into
the past or you can go into the future. Tomorrow, I believe, you get
two sessions, one is with Scott Jones who I believe is going to talk
about Tunguska, which was a project that Psi Tech did, and obviously,
the event in Tunguska happened way in the past; you also will also
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heard from Dr. Laibow, she is not talking about her project, but Psi
Tech did a project for her and for TREAT on the Phobos-2 probe, that
information was quite revealing incidentally; however, we have not
released any of it at this stage of the game because we are working
with the Soviets and trying to get confirmation from the Soviet
system as to to the accuracy of the Psi Tech RV report-so that we can
get some co-relation as to the quality of project, a) that large and
b) that complex. So incidentally the Phobos-2 probe disappeared off
of Soviet radar screen just suddenly, it was operating and suddenly
it wasn't, and so there was a lot of curiosity about what occurred,
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and there has been a lot of speculation as to what really occurred to
the craft, and if the remote viewers are correct, it will be a quite
a revelation when we finally get the confirmation that we think is
available out of the Soviet Union. 
In any event, those two are projects of the past, let me now talk
about projects that were of the future, that are no longer of tbe
future, but they were at the time that they were done. One was a very
large corporation here in the United States wanted to know what the
power source was going to be on the lunar station on the moon when it
finally got there, and we said, that sounds like an interesting
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project, so we took a look at that. Now that had a couple of
components, one was what was going to be the power source, and also
there was an indication that they wanted to mine the rock on the
moon, the lunar rock, in order to extract both the hydrogen and
oxygen, you combine the two you get water which you can drink, but
you also get energy which you can use for an energy source, but you
also get oxygen which you can breath, so it sounded kind of neat.
However, when we looked at it, that's not what we found, what we
found was a small, portable existing nuclear reactor, OK? That
sounded neat because it was already here, it existed on this earth,
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there was one problem with it, it wasn't in the United States, as a
matter of fact it was in the Soviet Union, and everybody said, oh my
goodness gracious, that can't possibly be, as a matter of fact the
client in this case said, I didn't want to hear that answer, OK? I
really didn't want to hear that, besides I can't get to that reactor
anyway because the Soviet is still a closed system, OK? Well, I don't
know whether you have been reading the newspapers lately, but there
is or has been in the newspapers a system, a Soviet system called
TOPAZ, and TOPAZ, the United States just bought or just arranged to
buy, I don't think its gotten here yet but it arranged to get it
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here, and it is a small portable existing nuclear reactor that is
suitable for space, OK? and that work was done for this corporation
about three years before, two and a half years earlier, so the work
was done but it was done for a future event, and in essence at least
part of that future event appears to have taken place... (End of Side
A)... The lunar exploration is actually up there and operating and
that's the system they have, I can't (do anyhting about it?) because
we haven't got there yet, thats what the indicators are. 
The second kind of interesting project dealt with again a very large
U.S. corporation that had extensive interest in the price of oil in
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the Middle East and what would be the impact of what was going on in
the Middle East and what would it look like when it was all over; in
other words, they really were interested in after the dust settled
over in that part of the world, what was the situation going to be so
that this corporation could make up its mind how it wanted to posture
itself vis-a-vis the then time frame, now the time frame was August
1990 and that was during Desert Shield, not desert Storm but desert
Shield. The project was to look inside (Saddam) Hussein's head and
find out what he was thinking and where he was going and what he was
going to do, now this was ahead of time, I want you to know this was
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before Desert Storm, this was Desert Shield, alright? The attempts,
in spite of two assasnation attempts he would stlll bc there and he
would still be in charge, OK? Well, one of those assasination
attempts has been verified, I've never seen any intelegence or
information or corrobarotion about the second assassination attempt,
I know that one was attempted, OK? He obviously is still alive. The
second piece of that not asked for, but clearly indicated as picked
up by the viewers as they looked at it, was a huge oil fire, huge oil
conflagration. Well that's kind of interesting because that obviously
also occurred.
Command: 
Now let me get back to the sort of the psychics versus the remote
viwers because I don't admit this and God and this is on tape too,
Jesus Oh Boy! I am not a trained remote viewer, I am not a natural
psychic, OK? However, I do get, I am highly visual and I do get lots
of interesting images; about two months before the fires actually
occurred in the Middle East, before Hussein actually set fire to the
oil wells. I had seen an incredibly dramatic image; and it was of a
huge fire; now the fire, I can see this incredible set of black smoke
and I could see vertically what to be sticks, you know, I could see
the base of, and I concluded that is was a forest fire, OK? and so i
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took it out of Kuwait and I moved it somewhere else in the world
because there are no trees in Kuwait to have a forest fire with, you
know, logic tells you that there are no trees, therefore you cannot
have a forest fire, therefore, it cannot be Kuwait, boom, all right?
Wrong! Wrong! The minutes those pictures came on TV I knew
instantaneoulsy that that's what I had seen, and what I had misp~ the
trees with oil rigs, OK? Now, what happens in that case is wha
overlay, and it is part of the protocol to remove that overlay fron
remote viewers so that you don't get that misconclusion or that
misdirection, it is precisely what we do in the controlled process,
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protocol that extracts the overlay away from the expierence of the
individuals See, my expierence says if you got stick you got trees
got trees you got forest fires, if you got forest fires you are not
in Kuwait right? Boom! See the logic? All of that was overlay that I
put there myself, now we don't allow that with our remote viewers and
we do have a protocol that stops that dead in its tracks and removes
that overlay do that we don't get the expierential piece in there, we
get access to the data is in the data base to bring it back and give
it pure, that's the system and that's the primary difference between
the sort of the pure psychic and what we believe to be the remote
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viewers, or our trained remote viewers. (Jokes about onions with long
ears that occasionally bring tears to your eyes) That really is the
neat part about remote viewing because occasionally you get right on
the money, so much so that bring tears to your eyes if you are right
there, that's kind of the essence of the difference between those two
elements. 
Let me talk to you about where you might take this kind of a tool and
do something with it, and again I am not sure I want to be on tape
for this. We have looked at Mars, we have looked at UFOs, we spent
some time looking at Mars, tomorrow I believe that you are going to
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hear a presentation on the Mars phenomena, and if I am correct, that
you will be told that there are structures on the surface of Mars. I
will tell you for the record that there are structures underneath the
surface of Mars that cannot be seen by the Voyager cameras that went
by in 1976, which is what you are going to hear tomorrow; I will also
tell you that there are machines on the surface of Mars and there are
machincs under the surface of Mars that you can look at, you can find
out in detail, you can see what they are, where they are, who they
are and a lot of detail about them. Now, you can do that through RV
and I defy any sensor anywhere in this world today that can do that
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kind of analysis or give you those kinds of leads, it just doesn't
exist today. Now, someday we will put a Mars station, someday we will
go there, someday we will see all of this, someday we will find it,
but today you do not have any capability to verify what I am saying
so I can I say it, which makes it nice. 
As far as the UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they can be
tracked, we have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not
a hard job, you can track them back to where they come from, whether
they come from a place here on this planet or whether they come from
a place on another planet, they are trackable and you can take a look
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inside as well as outside, so again it is a tool that is available to
be used for the UFO research and I guess, I guess that's the reason
that I am standing on this platform in spite of my misgivings and
feeling a little bit nervous like a tree on a Lassie program. Last
but not least, let me explore the fact that this technology has not
been proven in terms of a Mars or a UFO kind of a tool, I will tell
you, however, though, because one of the things which I am sure is
going through everybody's mind is what is the statistical success
rate if you will, how good are you, how good are your remote viewers,
where do they stand. Are they 50-50, because I can flip a coin and do
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that; are they at 51 versus 49, because if they are that's better
than the flip of a coin. I will tell you that its better than a
B-plus, better than a B-plus, now for all of you who remember, I had
trouble remembering that far back to High School, it was about 200
years ago, but if my recollection is correct, B-plus was about 85 or
better.  If you do it properly and begin to take the project, get the
large overview, take it down like a telescopic lens to the next
layer, take it down to the next telescopic lens cut out into the next
layer and kecp going down until you are down to the nuts and bolts,
that number can go as high as 95 percent success rate, it is a
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phenomenal tool, it is a phenomenal tool. We have failures, yeah, we
have some, not often but we do, occasionally you get noise, you get
an overide of some sort, and that's why I said I am not sure about
all of the counter measures at this stage of the game, OK? 

Part 2 of 3.

John Winston.

Remote Viewing. Part 3 of 3. (Tue, 29 Mar 94 19:20:32 PST)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Remote Viewing. Part 3 of 3.

He then answered questions from the audience). 
(Q from audience on futher details about Psi Tech's protocols). 
OK, let me answer the last one first, the protocol was developed by
Ingo Swann who is himself a natural psychic, and he has patented the
protocol, that's first and foremost; the second, where we get the
errors, the errors appear to come out of interference, now what is
interference? Interference appears to be some counter measure of some
sort, so there appears to be some areas that we are having trouble
accessing, it appears that when you have trouble accessing them that
there is a wall that has been built up, I don't know, I guess I'd
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call it a psychic wall of some sort. (Audience interjects comment)
You get, you sort of bang up against a wall, you go bonk. 
I have just been reminded that Ed Dames who is the president of
Psi-Tech and is himself a remote viwer, but he doesn't do much, he
acts more as the control. (Mentions Ed's talk in Atlanta for TREAT IV
and the transcripts will be available sometime in the future). 
(Q about mental state of the viewers). Completely passive, totally
passive obviously is a state of mind, the individual state of mind,
heavily Theta, for those of you who understand brainwaves, its a
Theta brainwave state of mind that they are in, we've actually
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measured some of them and they are very heavy in the Theta brainwave
arena, but it is totally passive as far as I can tell, there is no
active instrument other than the mind that is accessing the
information. 
(Q on to what extent are major Government using RV) I haven't the
foggiest freaking ass idea (laughter). You did see foreign
governments, thats what I thought you said. (Questioner clarifies he
said major governments). Rule one, I will not talk about anything
that preceded my retirement, OK? excuse me, I will not talk about
anything that preceded my retirement that is classified, that's a
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better way of expressing it, so anybody that and I have been asked
that question over and over and over and over again, I made an oath,
I have no intention of breaking that oath. Now, let's talk about
foreign governments because that's a different story. The Soviets
have been doing RV, they call it extra-sense, they have been doing
that for years, at one time the Soviet budget, the second highest
part of the Soviet budget was in paranormal, parapsychological
experts that's not true today but that was true probably six years
ago. at least six years ago, that was a true statement, so the second
highest right behind the defense budget was the money for the
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parapsycolocial/paranormal work, so if there is anybody who doesn't
believe that the Soviets have been playing in that business, does not
understand what they are doing. We have been in contact, and as a
matter of fact to my knonewledge, we had on the platform at
TREAT-IV in Atlanta, we had on the platform simultaneously the
president of Psi Tec, Ed Dames, and the president of a Soviet
enterprise, civilian enterprise headed by Ivan Sokolov, who does the
same thing in the Soviet Union, I think thats a first, OK? And what
we are trying to do together is to devise a project that will use the
capabilities of both organizations, and the one we are focusing on
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right at the moment is finding and cleaning up the environmental
hazards so that we begin to work on some of the incredible
environmental problems that exist in the Soviet Union, so we picked
the environment, its benign, it doesn't get this country upset or
this government upset, it doesn't get their government upset, its
something that needs to be done and so we try to pick something that
its an absolutely benign topic so that everyone can support it
forward, I don't know if that answers all of your questions, but it
gives you a little bit of a ramble. Yes, mam. 
(Q on UFOs). We got ten years of data that's stacked up, that we kept
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in the closet for many of the same reasons that a lot of, well, there
are people who are just barely now holding up there hands and saying,
yes, I think I believe in one those, at least publicly, there is
about ten years of data that we got stacked up on the UFO phenomenon,
that's the good news; the bad news is that its not all in the kind of
order that it needs to be, so it needs to be gone through it, sort
it, begin to analyze it, the problem with that of course it costs
money and money doesn't grow everywhere for such projects, so
somebodys got to be interested in doing that but a lot of it exists,
yes? 
Command: 
(Q on Sunspots interference with RV) I don't know, he wants to know
whether sunspots would impact or affect the ability of the remote
viewer to do the RV job, the reason I hesitate is because I never
even thought about it, now what I have thought about or those areas
where we begin to get what appear to be interference and appear to be
counter measures and trying to sort that setout and make sense of it.
Now, what I haven't thought about it is whether that was a natural
occurring phenomena or an intentionality on someone else's part who
is in fact trying to interfere or in effect jam our own ability to
access, so the answer is I don't know, it would be a very nice
Command: 
research project. 
 
(Q about your agency, which he reacts to, Psi Tech) Yes, we can talk
about that. (Whether Psi Tech has been contacted to work on counter
measures) No. (Q on tracking of UFOs) Earth, Mars. (Q about a rumor
circulating on the Roswell crash). No, stop that, please stop that
rumor, first of all Ed (Darnes) has not looked at Roswell, OK? He has
not looked at Roswell, now there was a thought that he would like to,
and that has been blown from the thought that I'd like to look at it
to the thought that, you know, and Ed went uuuuuuh, out of site, 
Command: 
mean, it followed a UFO cunre, OK, so kill that rumor. Way back in
the corner. 
(Q on Mars machinery). Its moving, the machinery is moving, so I dont
know, if its from a leftover civilization its got a long-live
battery, its better than any of the dolls we put out on Christmas, I
tell you, OK? (Q on more of the same). Yeah, its a structure, that's
what I say, there are structures on the surface, and incidentally I
don't want to take thunder away from any tomorrow, because you are
going to get a chit-chat about that tomorrow and I don't want to
trail on somedoby else's toes, all I that I am saying is that there
Command: 
are structures on top, there are structures underneath, there are
machines on top ahhhh I got a UFO!!! (Laughter) Zooong and another
alien hits the dust. OK, we need to warp this in short order. 
(Q on whether viewers need to be in trance). All the viewers that we
chosen so far are known quantities, there are all people that I know
personally, and thats very important because it goes back to that
pitch that I made or that notion that I made on what RV was not in
the beginning, and I cannot afford to have anybody that does not have
absolute total integrity and absolute total that I can totally trust,
so I demand total integrity, totally integrative person, because I
Command: 
don't want this thing done in a way that will in any shape, form or
fashion be construed as being outside the limits of normal conduct,
so they are chosen very carefully. The second thing is, do they go
into a trance? Well, I think mentioned we measured some of them and
they are in a Theta brain wave state. OK, one more. 
(Q on crop circles). No, only because, you know, we are a for profit
organization, Psi Tech is a for profit organization, OK? and if
somebody would like to have the crop circles looked at, we would be
more than happy to look at crop circles. Now there has been some very
casual looking, you know, just to kind of test what it was and what
Command: 
was going on, and so there is some minor inforrnation, but we have
not really done that as a process. OK, let me say in conclusion, I
think I want to burn that ta back there because I am not sure that I
want any of this on tape. (End of tape) 

The End Part 3 of 3.

That is the sum total of what Lady R. said he said.

John Winston.

 

Past Lives On Other Planets. (Tue, 5 Apr 94 16:58:33 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Past Lives. 

  I betcha that all of you people have lived past lives, most of you have
lived lives on other planets and some of you have lived in other dimensions.
Did you know that most of you volunteered to come here and you agreed to 
go through the coming shift up in conciousness?  Maybe you don't remember 
doing this.  

  There was a time in my training when I found out who I had been in more 
than 14 previous lives.  Some of them were fairly important lives like when
I was a statesman and a judge in the Holy Lands.  My name was Jacob DonAme,
I heard Jesus speak at Capernium and became a follower of his but I didn't 
go around with him.  Some of my lifetimes were is places of very low station 
like when I was a hillbilly from the South and came to Calif.  During that 
lifetime another person I know who is a psychic and I both came to Bodie, 
Calif.  I have gone there lately and still remember part of it.  I was a 
scribe for the Catholic Church in Carmel by the Sea, near Monterey and my 
name was Brother Ser.  I was not Father Serra who was there also.  I have 
visited that place and remember it also. There is also a town in the wine 
country (Calistoga), as you go towards Clear Lake where I once tried to 
establish a church during that lifetime and I died a disheartened man.

  Here is some information about this subject that has come my way lately.
..........................................................................

              Interview With Dr. Brian Weiss.

  According to this Miami psychiatirist, past-lives therapy works: It's 
quick, inexpensive, and people get better - whether they believe in 
reincarnation or not. 

  Treating patients by guiding them through recollections of what appear to 
be previous lives is about the last thing Brian Weiss thought he'd be doing.
The South Florida physicain, who before the age of 35 was chief of psychiatry
at MOunt Sinai Hospital and a professor at the University of Miami's medical
school, had always taken the traditional path.

  Growing up in New Jersey, Weiss was an overachiever, self-described as 
"studious, but not geeky."  After graduating magna cum laude from Columbia
University in 1966, he recieved his M.D. from Yale in 1970. It was Ivy
League all the way.  Publishing papers, becoming a recognized 
psychophamacology expert, he considered himself a "show me" kind of guy,
believing only what he could see.  He rarely gave much thought to anything
paranormal, mystical, or spiritual.

  One patient changed all that.

  Weiss calls her Catherine in Many Loves, Many Masters, Published in 1988,
eight years after her therapy began.  Barely budging her garden-variety 
phobias and anxieties with 18 months of convertional therapy, Weiss 
instructed Catherine while hypnotized to "go back to the time from which
your symptoms arise."  She did: the year was 1863 B.C., and she was a 25-
year-old woman named Aronda.

Part 1.

Source of Information: Omni, April, 1994.

John Winston.

Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 2. (Wed, 6 Apr 94 06:07:27 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Past Lives. Part 2.

  Once I was having a meeting with a few of the people from the Solar Cross
Organization in San Jose, Calif. and the conversation got around to where 
people were from on other planets before the were born here.  I was surprised
when I found out that everyone of them was from a different planet from the 
rest of the people who were there.  If my information is right, I lived on 
the planet Venus in one of my past lives about 5 lifetimes ago.  I was head
of the television type of news and information distribution system that they 
had for the entire planet.  The TV type device was fitted into the wall and 
was only about 2 or 3 inches thick. A couple of people that I have met on 
earth in this lifetime were my grown children in that lifetime.

  Now back to own information about Mr. Weiss, who investigates people's 
past lives..................................................................
............................................................................

  Weiss was shocked as Catherine unleashed a flood of memories from other 
lifetimes as well.  He soon discovered, he says, that traumatic events and 
relationships encountered in previous lives were the source of her problems. 
But only after ruling out schizophrenia, split personalities, psychosis, 
drug use, neurological illness, sociopathic tendencies, and just plain 
acting, could the scientifically trained Weiss begin to accept his notion.
"My gut reaciton was that I'd stumbled upon something I knew very little
about - reincarnation and past memories."  During the next three years, he 
dispelled Catherine's phobias and panic attack by having her vividly recall
events from dozens of her past lives.

  But reincarnation was only part of what Weiss encountered during 
Catherine's treatment. He also met "the Masters," entities who spoke through
Catherine, while she was under hypnosis, about the nature of the universe, 
levels of consciousness, intuitive powers, and the soul, which they said
passed from one body to another.  Weiss first branded it mumbo jumbo until
"the Masters" talked about Weiss's late father and the medical condition that
caused the death of his three-week-old son years before - information to 
which Catherine would have no access.  In 1990, Weiss left Mount Sinai to 
devote himself to his patients, about 60 percent of whose therapies include
recalling past lives. 

Part 2.

Source Of Information: Omni, April, 1994.

John Winston.

Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 3 of 3. (Wed, 6 Apr 94 18:12:34 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Past Lives On Other Planets. Part 3 of 3.

  One of my past lives on this planet I was told that I was a spanish
soldier in service the King and Queen of Spain.  We had captured some of 
the Mayan Indians and made them slaves to mine their own silver and was 
sending it back to Spain for the King and Queen.  We kept some of it back
and buried it forty feet down in a water well.  My friend in this life was 
also with me in that life.  He went back down there in this life and dug
up a truck load of silver in that well and came out real well financially.
There is said to be three times that amount of silver in a different 
place in the same area.  I asked a pyschic friend of mine where it was and
she told me its location.  

  Now back to the third and last part of the information about past lives.
..........................................................................

  Upon our first meeting, Weiss hypnotized me (JW the author of this 
information).  I did not experience past-life recall but what he calls 
"a mystical experience."  From my descripiton of the people in two separate 
scenes, it's clear to Weiss and to me that they are symbolic of an important
relationship I'm having with a man Weiss believes I've also know in previous
lifetimes and even in between, in the "spirit state."

  Since treating Catherine, Weiss, 49, has researched not only reincarnation,
but Eastern and Western religions, mysticism, quantum physics, and intuitive
and paranormal experiences.  He does not come across as some kind of guru, 
nor does he want to be.  He's simply a doctor, he says, who's become 
enlightened."  Much to his surprise, his work has been taken seriously by 
many in the psychiatric community.  Even some skeptics find value in his 
books.  "I can't say that these experinces were actual memories of past 
lives," says Steven Warner, Miami hypontherapist and expert in multiple-
personality disorders.  "It's possible they were fantasy material similar
to screen memory - an indirect way of describing a problem.  But there's
a powerfullness to the unconscious.  Whatever is happening, I don't believe
these 'past life' memories are a sham."

  In 1992, shortly before publicaiton of his second book, Through Time into 
Healing, the University of Miami notified Weiss that it wouldn't be renewing
his teaching contract.  Weiss has no doubt that his work with past-life 
therapy provoked this action.  But a week before, the University of 
Pittsburgh's Medical School showed interest in a longitudinal study to see if
gains by patients in this therapy persist over time.  Conducting this study
from Miami, Weiss has also spoken at the Yale Medical Scool psychiatry 
department and divinity schools.

  During our second meeting, he spoke enthusiastically about how even the 
federal government is taking alternative therapies seriously, citing the 
NIH's new Office of Alternative Medicine, which he calls "the Office of Far-
Out Stuff."  His work with past-life therapy has helped not only his 
patients, he acknowledges, but himself - Nina L. Diamond.

JW There is still quite a bit more about questions and answers to Dr. Weiss
but I will stop this information at this point.

The End. Part 3 of 3.

Source of Information: Omni magazine, April 1994.

John Winston.

UFO Convention. Part 2. (Sat, 30 Apr 94 17:25:31 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: UFO Conference.  Part 2.

  Here we go again with our second part of the discussion of the things that 
will be seen at the 4th annual National New Age, Comic Conspiracies & UFO 
Conference in San Diego, Calif. on May 20 to 23, 1994.....
.............................................................................

      Lecture Session 4 

                 Special Guest from Switzerland       Workshop: Sun 5:00 PM

                           LILIANE BADER

  Presents techniques & meditations to dissolve emotional fears, uncertainty 
& stress involving UFO abductions.  Channeler for the Messenger "Vywamus" of 
the Spiritual Hierarchy.

                    --------------------------------

                    FIRST PUBLIC APPEARANCE - EVER
                            COME AND HEAR

                             VANCE DAVIS
                 Formerly of Military Intelligence 

                           Leader of the
                          GULF BREEZE SIX                      

  Keynote Address: Saturday 7:00 PM Session, Workshop Saturday 3:00 PM

                      Hosted by Sean David Morton

  Decorated Army Intelligence Specialist Vance Davis went AWOL from his post
in 1990 with five other high-level operatives, all with Top Secret Clearance
20 levels above the President of the United States. 

  According to his own account, it all started when Davis and the others 
began to receive psychic warnings about forth coming Earth Changes, and an
attempt by  "covert elements" within the military to establish a "Multiple
Jurisdictional Task Force," that would restore "law and order" by breaching 
the U.S. Constitution and replacing the FBI, the National Guard, FDS, DEA and 
IRS with a  "National Police Force" known as the "Black Guard."  As Davis
later revealed, "We were told we needed to get out of the military because 
they said, 'It's not going to be good in there.  We asked 'Why?' and the 
response was, 'Because they are going to start marking soldiers,' and they
didn't want us to be marked!"

  Headline stories - beamed around the globe - claimed the AWOL intelligence
operatives had left their post in Germany, snuck back into the U.S., and 
had headed straight for Gulf Breeze, Florida, in an attempt to destroy the 
Antichrist who it is predicted by then would appear on the world scene
very shortly.  There was speculation among the UFOlogical community that 
Davis and the others had gone to Gulf Breeze because of its connection with 
the repeated sightings of spacecraft.  Some individuals even thought that 
Ed Walters - the famed abductee who took a series of close-up photos of 
UFOs, including one on the roadway in front of his truck - somehow was tied
in with this scenario, and association that was later denied.

  To this day, Davis does not fully understand how the entire affair go so 
far out of hand, that there's a possibility that forces loyal to the "New
World Order" were working hard behind the scenes to foster a disinformation
campaign against the AWOL soldiers that went way beyond the norm, clearly
showing the near mass hysteria that was being conveyed by the military in 
what was seen by them as a clear "breach of security."
 
  Due to the sensational nature of the case, interest among the journalistic
community was at an all-time high. Even former NASA scientist Jacques
Vallee couldn't wait to get his two cents worth in on the debate. In his 
book, Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception, Vallee reviewed the
many bizarre aspects of the entire episode:

  "{After they were arrested} from Fort Benning the six deserters were
quickly transferred to Fort Knox, and a remarkable series of events was set
into motion.  The army simply cleared them in a routine espionage 
investigation, issued them general discharges, and turned them loose.  The 
curious UFOlogist, at this point, has the right to ask a few disturbing 
questions.  For instance, how on earth did these soldiers know exactly one
month in advance that a war was about to erupt {with Saddam Hussein} in the
Middle East?  What motivated the incredible leniency of the Army when it 
simply discharged six intelligence communications specialists who had been
missing for a whole week?  And how did these soldiers manage to elude the 
FBI and the army for so long?  How did they get back into the United States
without being picked up by immigration officers, who surely must have had 
their names prominently highlighted on their computer list at every port of 
entry?"

  Vallee believes that, "The whole saga reeks of collusion and manipulation
at a high level.  and the manipulation must have been engineered by someone
exquisitely familiar  with the UFO scene, someone who exploited the 
soldiers' expectation of a massive UFO event in Gulf Breeze."

  Going further in his rationale, Vallee seems to think that the entire 
matter might have been "officially closed" due to a blackmail threat that 
occurred when the Florida media received a "very strange teletype 
communication" that read:

  US ARMY 
  FREE THE GULF BREEZE SIX,
  WE HAVE THE MISSING FILES, THE BOX OF 
  500+ PHOTOS AND PLANS YOU WANT BACK.
  
  Indeed up until he steps behind the speakers platform and prepares to speak
before those attending the 4th Annual National New Age, Cosmic Conspiracies
and UFO Conference (San Diego, May 20-23, 1994), Vance Davis has managed
to keep rather silent about the major events that caused a distinctive 
change in his life. And while his former position in the military should
swear him to absolute secrecy, Davis feels it is very important "at this
time" to come forward and discuss the many revelations that came to the Gulf
Breeze Six from entities not of this place and time.

  "All of us are very patriotic," Vance has stated.  "I personally believe in
the Constitution.  I believe in this country. I will die for this country, 
even to this day, the true meaning of this country, what the Founding Fathers
did, not what it is now.  I believe in freedom of thought.  I believe in 
freedom of choice and when that choice is taken away I will die for it, and 
that choice is being taken away."

  For the first time, Davis will explain how the Gulf Breeze Six came to be 
involved in this "high drama," of intrigue that lead to them receiving
a list of 56 specific predictions and nearly 1500 pages of notes. Davis will
reveal the possible identity  of the Antichrist: the existence of various
races of alien beings who continue to arrive on Earth; our economic future
and collapse of society and much, much, more.  In his Workshop (to be co-
hosted by Sean Morton and given on Saturday, May 21 at 3:00 PM), Davis will 
try to draw upon the same energies that provided so much accurate information
to the Gulf Breeze Six, in order to enable those attending to receive first-
hand information about the times just ahead - which will include many 
dramatic shifts in awareness for each and every one of us.  This promises to 
be an incredible experience nobody should miss.

JW Well, how about that?

Part 2.

John Winston.        
     

UFO Convention. Part 3. (Sun, 1 May 94 06:27:19 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: UFO Convention.  Part 3.


  Now here is a part of the convention that interests me, Lay 
Lines, or sometimes called Ley Lines.  Here we go................
.................................................................

                         TONY CUNEO

         FENG-SHUI/GEOMANCY, EARTH MAGIC AND LAY LINES

  When he was 21, Tony had a serious accident that almost cost 
him his life.  After his recovery, one night he was approached
by a man who told him not to be concerned, that his situation 
would improve and that he should be encouraged to keep studying
and learning and some day he would become a teacher, healer, 
author, speaker and leader of people through the Earth Changes, 
into the new world.  In his thirties,  Tony studied in Egypt, and 
while  he was at Potmas in Greece, in the cave where John wrote 
the Book of Revelation, a mysterious figure approached him and 
sent him to the monastery to study the ancient relics of the past.
  Altogether he has practiced and studied with Medicine Men, 
Kahunas, Black Hat Taoists, Rabbis, Meditation Masters and Secret
Societies.  His presentation will be on Feng-Shui/Geomancy, Earth 
Magic, Lay Lines and how they affect your life, money, health, 
home relationships and work every minute of you life.

      Lecture: Saturday 7:00 PM Session   Work shop: Sunday: 3:00
PM. 

                 --------------------------

                        TED LOMAN

                  UFOS & ALIEN ENCOUNTERS
                FROM ANCIENT TO MODERN TIMES

  In 1989, Ted was partially blinded in an accident.  Returning
home to recuperate, Loran's father read to him from several UFO
books.  Intrigued by what he heard, Ted started an in-depth study
that led him to produce his own television show, UFOS AZ, which 
can now be seen in his native Tucson, AZ. as well as in Florida,
Idaho, Washington, San Jose and most recently on Channel 16 in 
New York (Sunday, 10:00 PM).

  Sometimes the shows are serious - we have on dozens of credible
observers as well as most of the leading authorities - other 
times we might look at the lighter side.  One time we interviewed 
a 'weather balloon,' in that skeptics often think most UFO 
sightings can be explained in this manner.  

  Having gathered a mass of material, Ted is able to trace the 
history of the UFO phenomenon from ancient times to the present
in a completely objective manner that few other can do.

Lecture: Fri. 7:00 PM Session    Workshop Sat. 11:00 AM.

                      --------------------      

                       JESSIE P. GARCIA

   MY VISION ON OF THE VIRGIN MARY AND VISITORS FROM TYMATHIAS

  At five, Jessie was taken on a craft by the Tymathians,(JW Boy,
I never even heard of them before), a very tall and highly 
spiritual group of space beings.  They left him with a gift of 
prophecy that enables him to see the future.  At 21, Jessie had 
a vision of the Virgin Mary that heightened his psychic powers.  
His presentation deals with Earth Changes, the meaning of the 
Aztec Calendar, the truth about the shroud of Torin and where 
Moses really took the people of Egypt.  He will be sharing his 
workshop with noted metaphysical teacher Helga Morrow, and 
together they will lift the veil of mystery that surrounds many 
vital subjects.

    Lecture: Sunday 10:00 AM Session  Workshop: Sunday: 3:00 PM.

JW That's it for now.

Part 3.

Source Of Information:  National New Age, Cosmic Conspiracies &
UFO Conference.  The Travelodge (619) 492-8588.

John Winston.

Earth Women And Spacemen. (Sat, 21 May 94 17:09:34 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Two Earth Ladies And Two Space Gentlemen.

  Here is some information that has come my way about the 
encounter of a couple of Earth women.  Here we go...............
................................................................

  It all began when my sister, Betty, and I were in a downtown St.
Louis coffee shop.  We had been shopping and had stopped off to 
get a coke and refresh ourselves.  While in the coffee shop we
were approached in a very mannerly way by two gentlemen dressed in
grey suits, who managed to interrupt into our private 
conversation.  As they spoke to us we found that they were from a 
huge mother-craft orbiting the planet Earth, and that their names
were Elen and Zelas.  They told us that we had been very closely
watched by the Space People for the last eight years, and that
our progress had been noted off and on from the time of our birth.
Betty and I were both inclined to think that someone was playing 
a silly joke on us and we laughed when they told us this, but 
they were not laughing and were serious and stern.  We were 
strangely shocked, however, when they told us of a few incidents
in our childhood that no one could have possible known except the 
family.  They told us that we had been selected as contacts by 
the people of space to serve as channels through which they could
give certain information to Earth, and that we had been carefully
watched, as I stated before.  They told us of the reasons why the 
space people were coming to Earth and that they were here to guide
Earth along the lines of Brotherhood and Science.

  We were very much amazed at their words, and we noted 
particularly the kindness and warmth that shone  in their eyes. 
With a single glance from them we seemed to sense the vast wisdom
and brotherhood which they must have lived among.  After talking
with us for a little over two hours they left and told us they 
would contact us again, but it was not until a week later that we
were impelled to again return to the same coffee shop.  

  When we entered the door we again saw one of the Space Brothers,
and he gave us instructions at that time for building a device
whereby we could contact the Space People.  His instructions were
explicit and precise, for he warned us that unless we placed
every piece of the device in the proper place we would not be able
to contact them with it.  We were not allowed to take the drawn 
diagram of the device with us, but we had to remember it as it
was explained to us.   When we obtained the proper pieces for
the device we constructed it when we returned home, and were happy
to find the results were satisfactory.  We were amazed when we
tuned in on the mother craft and spoke with the same person we
had earlier seen.  We were also allowed to speak with the 
commander of the craft, who at that time was know as Alna.  In
the following six months we spoke many times with the space 
people through the device, and received much information about 
their homes, sciences and craft.

  In November of '57 I was alone in downtown St. Louis on business 
then I was again contacted by the space people and at their 
request went with them by automobile into Illinois where we drove
to a heavily wooded area.  There, I was told, was where they 
landed when they had business or contacts to make in St. Louis.
Settled back behind an old barn was a circular craft that I 
judged to be approximately nine feet in height, and about 38 feet
in diameter.  It had a domed top, but no portholes.  The sliding
door was open and there was a uniformed operator sitting at the
controls.
  
  I was nervous although I knew no harm would come for me, and
I was visibly shaking, but Zelas only smiled as though to 
reassure me.  The flight to the mother craft took approximately 
15 minutes, and I was told the magnetism of the small craft 
would not affect my watch since it would be balanced by the
magnetism of my own body.  However, while in the mother craft 
the magnetism of it caused my watch to stop, and it was 
demagnetized in a small machine before  I left.

  Inside the mother craft we entered the huge receiving room 
for the smaller craft.  There were many huge machines in this room, 
and there were also many other uniformed men standing around
obviously working upon the machines or moving them about.  They
glanced at us when we entered , but then returned to their work 
as before.  The hall that we entered was softly lit and was curved
both at the ceiling and corners. We entered the first room to the
right which appeared to be a room for relaxing.  There were 
divans and contoured chairs with white upholstering that had a
thread or design of golden hue woven in it.  The room was
meticulous and vast, and as I stood observing the beauty of it
three uniformed men approached us.  Their uniforms were of a 
blue-grey color with a slight metallic look, and I learned the
jodphur type boots they wore were actually attached to the
uniforms, and were not a separate piece of apparel.  The uniforms
were soft to the touch and the texture of velvet.  I was then
introduced to three men and learned that one was Alna, the
commander of all craft operation upon Earth.  Alna spoke with a
very heavy accent, and was much darker than any of the other.  
His skin had a high bronze tint to it, as compared with the 
lighter complexions of the others.

JW I find it good to have this all explained from a women's
point of view.

Part 1.

Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER, 1994.

John Winston.        

Earth Ladies Meet Space Gentlemen. Part 2. (Sun, 22 May 94 17:21:05 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Earth Ladies Meet Gentlemen From Space. Part 2.

  At the close of our last discussion we had a lady aboard a space craft.
We will now continue.......................................................
...........................................................................

  From this room I was shown the control section where I was told our calls
were received when we operated our device.  Here they placed a call through
to our telephone in St.Louis by adjusting a series of dials, and I was 
allowed to speak with Betty and tell her that I was with the Brothers. I was 
also shown  a scope similar to a television screen, the only difference
being this was at a slight elevation on the control counter, instead of 
standing up at eye level or in a box type cabinet which our television sets
consist of.  This scope could obviously  reflect any particualr building or 
house that the space people desired to observe, and when I looked at the 
scope when Alna requested me to do so, I could see the inside areas of my 
home and could see my sister, mother and the children moving about.  It was 
as though the entire roof ahd been removed and only the walls remained of the 
house.  When I asked them how this was done, they explained that the first
set of vibrations that left the roof were erased and the vibrations of the 
furniture and people inside were received on the scope, and therefore it 
appeared as though the instruments in the control seciton were actually 
looking through the building.

  From this section we entered another much larger control section and I 
watched other uniformed men going about their work with much deftness and
swiftness.  I was told then that we were going to dine, and when we entered
the dining area it appeared as a vast empty room.  However, tables and 
chairs rose from the floor section, and I dined with them after humbly and 
repectfully listening to a prayer Alna said in the Universal Tongue.

  The food consisted of three different types, and a drink similar to apricot
nectar was enjoyed.  There was little conversation during the meal, and when 
all had almost finished Alna told me I could witness a dance performed by two
of the Space Brothers.  This dance was most unusual and fast, during which
the two men passed a small object from one to the other, sometimes throwing
it in the air and catching it before it fell upon the floor.  I expressed my
thanks to Alna for allowing me to see this, and when we left the dining area
we moved down the hall to what obviously was an entertainment room where the 
Brothers spent many relaxing hours.  Many men were in the room, some sitting
at tables and others playing a game similar to our Shuffleboard. I was asked
if I would like to try the game, and after watching Alna I understood simply
how it was done. 

  A round colored disc about four inches in diameter was placed on the floor
in a particular square, and by mind power alone the disc was to move across
the floor to another particular square.  This section of the floor was 
electrically charged and receptive to the thought waves leaving a person's
mind.  Alna took a blue disc tht was handed to him and placed it on the floor
causing it to move a considerable distance.  Then I was handed a red disc and
asked to try.  I was doubtful if it would work for me, and the only thing I
could think of was to silently command the disc to "Go.":  I was amazed when 
the disc moved slowly up the floor, but quite some distance from that of 
Alna's.  When I glanced at my watch and noticed it had stopped, it brought 
Alna's attention and he said for this time he felt I shoud not be held up 
longer from my other activities, and that a second trip would be longer.  It 
was then that he took my watch and placed it in a small machine in the first 
control section and then set it for me, obtraining the proper time from a 
scope that contained many symbols and crossed lines on it.

  Then with Zelas and Benen I returned to the craft receiving room and 
entered again a smaller craft with them.  I do not know exactly what series
of air locks the craft enter and leave the mother craft, but there was a 
large dark section upon the floor in the receiving room and as we entered
the smaller craft to leave Zelas pointed it out and told me that was the area
where the craft left.  The trip back was quick and short, and as we drove
back to St. Louis I recounted in my mind all the things I had seen.  Being
alone, I wanted to be able to tell anyone else as much as I could; however, 
we decided that we would not then tell everyone else of our experiences until
we had enought information to relay to the public.  Last year at Buck's 
Convention we were called upon to speak, but we were neither prepared nor
expecting that we would be called upon for a speech.  I did, however, say a 
few words and since that time we have delivered several lectures to various
groups.

(JW I wonder if they are talking about Buck Nelson's Convention.  He has been
dead for a long time.)

Part 2.

Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE. SUMMER, 1994.

John Winston. 

Earth Ladies And Space Gentlemen. Part 3. (Mon, 23 May 94 07:37:26 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Two Ladies Meet Two Space Gentlemen. Part 3.

  We will now go into the third part of our discussion of two ladies and 
their interplay with the space men.........................................
...........................................................................

  A few weeks later we were contacted by the Brothers and were told that the 
Martian Council had requested us to speak of the powerful effects of the A
and H bombs and ALSO the future of those responsible for their evil.  When
we were told these requests we asked for information to give Earth's people,
and the following is what they gave us.  It was prepared by one of the 
Brothers know as Sigt.  I wil go directly into his message and then would
like to take up a subject that many people have questioned us about-such
subjects as evil flying saucers and evil space people, also strange 
phenonema that seem to defy natural law will be spoken of.  Now, I would like
to give you Sigt's message:

  "Earth's scientists are creating around planet Earth the most deadly
condition to material man than ever {has been before}.  The explosions of 
the A and |H bombs are placing the residue particles of radioactivity into
all the materials of Earth.  Each human being upon Earth now carries a 
certain degree of radioactivity in their bones and systems.  Why should it be
significant to hear of this when you cannot see the radioactivity, nor hear
it as it does much destructive work?

  "In the advanced laboratories of Mars we have proved the detructibility
of such uncontrolled energy.  Radioactivity drops, upon the grass, 
buildings and people after being carried by the air currents around an
explosion.  This energy is in minute particles that have the effect of 
deterioration to the molecules of all material things.  This radioactivity 
settles around an object or body and penetrates the outer area of the surface 
or skin.  What does radioactivity look like, you many wonder.

  "As an explanation, many of you have seen small dust spirals along the 
streets or in a dusty area that swirl around and around in circles that then
seem to disappear.  Radioactivity has the same effect and looks very 
similar as it settles around a body.  The small particles are caught up in a
swirling counter-clock-wise motion that cause them to be driven down into
the surface of the body cells.  This energy, once inside the body, offsets
the balance of the normal cell and causes it to become either agitated into
more activity as it tries to cast back out of the system, or else the 
radioactivity attacks cells that are already weakened by illness, and 
immediately sets up a destruction of them. 

  " When this new activity occurs in a normal cell a powerful microscope
would reveal the atomical structure of the cell is creating a counter 
offensive action that is clockwise as compared to the counter-clockwise 
motion of the radiactivity.  When this occurs, there is eventually a 
breaking down of the cell's motion, for as the explosions of the A and H
bombs continue the aciton of the radioactivity is strengthened by this and 
overpowers the clockwise motion of the body cels that are attempting to 
throw off the radioactivity.  Thus, the body cells are forced to become 
activated in the same manner.  This creates a drawing together or
constriction of the cells and creates abnormal conditions and illnesses.  As
the radioactivity increases the rate of motion increases around each body 
living on Earth.  This changes the cell formaiton and in the next gereration 
this inherent conditon is accentuated by the accumulated  mass of more
radioactivity.  In the second and third generations these changes are 
visible as definite deformations of the body, and this in turn, if not 
controlled, will lead to a generation of mutants.

  "What does radioactivity sound like?  I will try to explain.  Many people
are receptive to certain high vibratory sounds that are derived from the 
atomic explosions, and are the elemnetal changes in the atmospheres of 
earth.  These high pitched sounds are very serious, for they can almost 
pierce the very soul consciousness, and cause changes there.  The 
consciousness of Man is being affected every day by these vibrations that
these explosions have created, and unless these are altered or until the 
explosions of this nature are stopped the Mind of Man will be changed in 
drastic measures. Some of these notes can cause a perfectly healthy person to
develop a fatal illness, some can affect the mental processes terribly, other
of these vibrations, if not altered within the consciousness of the 
indivdual, can cause one to commit acts that otherwise would not be done.
But most serious indeed are the changes in the atomical structures of the 
atmospheres of Earth.  Here the greatest battle of all is arising.  The 
Earth wants to separate with this activity, but the consciousnesses of the 
higher evolved here upon Earth and in Space are preventing this, until
Earth can adjust. 

  "How can you stop this from happening?  The answer is simply stop the 
unnecessary test of these bombs.  For those who maintain it is necessary to 
show the military strength, we can only say what strength is there to be 
shown that deprives the people, vegetation and animals of a perfectly 
beautiful and attainable future otherwise.  Is it truly possible that the 
{deceivability} of such destructive weapons can replace sane, sound acitons 
of better living?  It is necessary now for the Space People living upon Earth
to take protective measures or otherwise suffer the same effects from 
radioactivity as the citizens. It is not possible for us to give Earth's 
people enough of the protectors without the cooperation of the governments, 
and such cooperation is at present unattainable.  The continuance of these 
tests are affecting all responsible for them, and if one accepts 
reincarnation as an answer it would be definitely seen why no one here or 
responsible for these tests would want to re-live again in mutated bodies of 
the future generations.  If reincarnation be unacceptable to the average 
person, then the knowledge that these tests are mutating their children and 
their children's children should be sufficient reason for stopping them.  Our
warning to Earth is cease you tests and save you future."

  What the Space People are trying to make clear in this message and many 
others similar to this is that Earth is now in a most perilous situation, 
and faces self-destruction of humanity.  In the two years we have contacted
the Brothers they have been concerned and talked most frequently about the 
destructibility of the A and H Bombs.  Speaking of this destruction, the 
questions I mentioned earlier come to my mind, and that is concerning the 
evil flying saucers and evil space people.

JW  Wasn't Carl Sagan part of a protest group for something or another?

Part 3.

Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER, 1994.

John Winston. 

Earth Ladies and Space Gentlemen. Part 4. (Mon, 23 May 94 22:04:18 PDT)

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:

~Subject: Earth Women and Space Gentlemen.  Part 4.

  Now onward and upward to the fourth part of a lady meeting space people...
............................................................................

  First, we must consider the evidence presented.  There have been saucers
that were reported as having a negative effect upon people by burning them
or causing nausea, etc.  And in some instances there have been cases 
reported where people have been assaulted by beings that havee merged from 
some saucers and actually attacked them.  The descriptions of these beings
have been generally of a small type of people who were unusually crafty or 
mischievous and who actualy grasp people and attempted to drag them into 
their craft.  Wher do these beings come from, and why are they entering this 
system?  No doubt most of you will agree there is a tremendous battle going
on between the good and the bad, which concerns all thoughts, actions and 
influences.  From thousands of years ago to the present age this battle 
between right and wrong has been waged against civilizaiton and has balanced
first in favor of the good and righteous, and then turning and swaying in 
favor of the wicked or evil.  This strange course of events has been 
necessary for certain conditions to prevail upon Earth, so that beneficial
results would come about.  The devastating bubonic plague that swept Eruope
in the Dark Ages was indeed a terrible thing and was judged to be just that
by the people, but this negative condition actually paved the way for more 
sanitary  conditions.  All evil will give way to the good, and all wrong has
a right.

  The space people that have negative qualities about them are coming from 
farther space systems, although I do not wish to imply that all space 
craft from farther systems is evil.  Many of the craft from farther systems 
are very good and are also trying to help Earth; however, it is only those
certain evil systems that we should consider when I say those from a farther
system than our own.  It is these negative beings who are here for the purpose
of actually taking people from Earth to indoctrinate them with their ideas, 
so they in turn will cause confusion and disturbances upon the planet.  The 
true purpose behind this is to prevent harmony and peace, for they are in 
alliance with those beings living in Earth, who themselves will be forced
to leave Earth when peace and brotherhood is completed.  The gains that these
negative people obtain from their alliance with those other negatives in 
Earth is not know by us, but it must be quite profitable for them to engage 
so actively against the Space Brothers who are trying to help Earth.  The 
Space Brothers who are trying  to help Earth have to contend with these craft
and beings form other less desirable systems, and also have to contend with
the disbelieving masses of people who either do not know of the need for 
harmony and peace or those who do not want to listen to their urgent 
requests.  The job of the Space Brothers is not easy, for it is necessary to
prepare the people of Earth to accept their existemce, and also to guide
them in proper understanding so that peace and co-existence will be possible.

  Many people seem to feel that the negative beings are only from planet 
Earth and consists only of those fallen angels who were cast out of heaven
by a Supreme Command from the Most High.  Many can quote the proper passages
of the Bible and prove that there are fallen angels living here on Earth, who 
cause the necessary confusion and evil which we here must live among.  There
are those intelligneces of superior powers who we would call fallen angels 
living on Earth, but it is not wholly from them that the evil or bad flying
saucers come.  As you look up into the sky at night you see multitudes of 
stars, planets and suns moving on in beautiful orbits.  However, if you could
move out through space and watch the barbarous conditons that exist upon some
of these stars you would be shocked.  There are some systems advanced in 
scientific accomplishments to the degree of mastery over space, but those
systems have advanced in science alone and have little spiritual advancement.  
They come here to Earth and to other planets in farther systems to form 
alliance with those intelligneces who will provide them the necessary 
fulfillment of their evil desires and wishes. 

  Planet Earth is now visited by such craft, whose occupants live and profit
from the unrest and disharmony present.  Who can truly say what percent 
of our actions are fueling these beings with necessary materials and profit. 
What these profits are cannot be said by us, for only each one of us in our
own understanding can know in Truth what their actions consist of that could
be used as a fuel by the negative ones.  These negatives can present very 
good arguments and can deceive the unwary in many ways.  Their goal is to 
conquer and win, without any concern how they do it.  They may use one form
of attraction one time and anothee the next.  Now, how, you probably think, 
do we know  about this.  I can only say that many times, more than we have 
recorded or remembered, we have been interrupted in our attempts to contact
the brothers by means of our device, and then encounter the beamed 
transmission of a negative craft.  In many instances these beings have 
mocked our efforts and have belittled the Brothers and us.  Other times they 
have lied and said they were the M-4 Section of Mars and they had a nessage
for us from the Council, and that we were to say such-and such or else we 
were to stop speaking altogether.  Patience is a good way to win with their 
persistence, for they cannot persist too long without gettin angry and 
revealing themsleves.  Once we were interrupted by them and told flatly who 
they were and what they wanted us to do.  They asked us to prepare a book 
for them and expose the whole untruth connected with the story of the fallen
angels.  This book was to be belivered by one of their very advanced minds,
and to be created in manuscript form by us and offered for publication.

JW I wonder if this lady ever met any  Space ladies?

Part 4.

Source Of Information: UFO UNIVERSE, SUMMER 1994.

John Winston.

 


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