MJ-12 AND DR. WALKER

25 May 1996 21:19:06 GMT / posted May 28, 1996
Source: University of Manitoba
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Conversation between Dr. Henry Azadehdel from Nottingham England, and Dr. Eric Walker. Dr. Walker was the former President of Penn State University ( 1956-1970) ;former chairman of the Institute for Defense Analysis; director of the Navy's Ordinance Research Laboratory; and numerous other government positions.

The conversation took place March 8,1990

Mrs Walker Hello?

Azadehdel Hello. Is Dr. Walker in, please?

Mrs. Walker Yes

( I waited for a short while) Dr. Walker Hello?

Azadehdel Hello. Dr Walker, this is Henry from Nottingham.

Dr. Walker Hello. How are you?

Azadehdel I am fine, thank you. Doctor, I have sent you a book earlier this week. I hope you would enjoy reading it. It is called the Open Verdict. It is about 25 scientists who worked in MoD ( Ministry of Defense), all died of mysterious circumstances.

Dr Walker Well, I have not received it. Have you received my book?

Azadehdel No, Doctor, I sent the book by mail on Tuesday. You should receive it in 10 days or so. But, Doctor, I was reading a book called Above Top Secret. There are some documents there refering to a group better known as MJ-12. Have you heard of them?

Dr Walker For a long time now, I have nothing to do with them.

Azadehdel Are the documents authentic?

Dr Walker I don't think so.

Azadehdel Doctor, but is there such a group still Active?

Dr Walker ( silence ) How good is your mathematics?

Azadehdel As good as it could be for a doctor in physics, but why?

Dr Walker Because only a few are capable of handling this issue. Unless your mind ability is like Einstein's or likewise, I do not think you can achieve anything.

Azdaehdel Well, Doctor, for many years I have been trying. But, are there government scientists?

Dr Walker Everyone mistakes about this issue. I gather that you mean whether they work for the Defense establishments of the military?

Azadehdel Yes, Doctor, that is what I meant.

Dr Walker Well, that is where you are wrong. They are a HANDFUL OF ELITE. When you are invited into that group I would know.

Azadehdel Is it a group like Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or anything like that?

Dr Walker I didn't get that.

Azdaehdel Is this group like Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or anything like that?

Dr Walker ( Silence for a long time ) Something like that.

Azadehdel Are there any members of the ordinary public in this group?

Dr Walker What do you mean?

Azdaehdel I mean ordinary people who have dedicated their lives to studying UFOs.

Dr Walker No.

Azadehdel Are you a member of that group?

Dr Walker I cannot answer that. How good is your sixth sense. How much do you know about ESP?

Azadehdel I know to some degree about ESP and EVP. But, what has this got to do with it?

DR walker Unless you know about it, and how to use it, you would not be taken in. Only a few know about it.

Azadehdel Doctor, are there any military people in that group?

Dr Walker No

Azadehdel Have we used any derivative of the learnt technology in the military?

Dr Walker I cannot answer that question. You are trying to squeeze answers out of me. If you are invited into this group, I would know.

Azadehdel Are the members 10,12,14, are they all Americans?

Dr Walker I cannot give you the numbers, and no, not nessessarily, they are not all Americans.

Azadehdel Doctor, have we mastered the knowledge, are we working with the entities?

Dr Walker No, we have learned so much, and we are not working with them, only contact.

Azadehdel Have we captured any saucers, any materials from the discs to study?

Dr Walker The technology is far behind what is known in ordinary physics that you take the measure and obtain measurements. You are pushing for answers, aren't you?

Azadehdel Doctor, I have obtained a report called Project Magnet. Have you ever heard of Wilbert Smith, who worked on this project in Canada?

Dr Walker No, I don't believe ever having met this person.

Azadehdel Is the concept on the Electromagnetic or Gravity?

Dr Walker As I said, it is far behind the known level of physics that is known a very few have knowledge of it.

Azadehdel O.K. Doctor, let us change the subject. What do you usually read?

DR WALKER Well, at the moment I am reading The Spy Catcher.

Azadehdel You are a little behind, Doctor, in that dep't, aren't you?

Dr Walker ( he laughs ) Well, I have not had the time. But it is interesting. I like books like this.

Azdaehdel Well, Doctor, in that case you will enjoy my book. I would send you hereafter some books.

Dr Walker Are you familiar with the theory of relativity? Do you know if we have used it or not?

Azadehdel Yes, I am in fact familiar with it. But, whether we have used it, I guess my answer would be yes and no.

Dr. Walker That is correct, yes and no.

Azadehdel Doctor, I guess this is like chasing the whirlwind. ( Henry used this because of the strange use of the phrase " chasing windmills " used by Walker while taking to Bill Steinman 3 years earlier. We had proposed reusing a similiar phrase to determine if Walker would make the same connection to futility)

Dr Walker Well,yes. But if you capture the whirlwind, what do you want to do with it?

Azadehdel It is a very good and valid question, one which that sort analogy from my point of view does not apply to it. I am not going to pass judgement on it, to whether it is good or bad, and hence I should not follow it for those reasons. I am a scientist, looking for answers and solutions. I guess like any other scientific problems which I might encounter.

Dr Walker As I said, very few who are not officials have been able to work with them, and if you are invited into their circle I would know.

Azadehdel Doctor, thank you very much for your time. We should chat again.

Dr Walker Thank-you. Yes, we should. Bye.

Azadehdel Bye, Doctor.

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