Disney film update and possible leads to follow ?

Greetings all. I have been working with my friend Mark from the United Kingdom and we came to the bottom of some of the images from the Disney video. In it, they show several Military personel picking up large pieces of what appear to be a flying saucer. Disney includes these shots within their Roswell piece, therefore making it look like this was Roswell wreckage. We both agree that the images from the book, another UFO video called "Overlords of the UFOs" and the Disney video are all the SAME critter.

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Mark includes a letter from someone called Bart. It spells out specific leads to trace down. You better believe it could all be DISINFO, but at least actual names, places and leads are given to attempt to track them down. Course it could all lead to dead ends, but it makes for Facinating Folklore !
Enjoy,
Dan

The raggedy disc info I found in a book called "Man Made UFOs", published 1994 by Adventures Unlimited. It's actually a reprint with (extra stuff by David Hatcher-Childress and a load of photos) of an Italian book from 1968, "Intercept but don't shoot" by Renato Vesco. It's a nice tome, stufed with info and photos about Nazi and other disc-shaped craft, anti gravity experiments etc. I hadn't made the connection between the Disney footage and that pic before, but maybe it's the right one. More info from the book, which helpfully doesn't have an index:

p.30: August 19, 1949: The Air Force command of BAltimore suddenly called a press conference and an authorised spokesman stated...that two different "prototypes" of airplanes which might solve the mystery of the famous saucers had been found on the abandoned farm near Glen Burnie. The two machines had been built just before the war by one Jonathan E. Caldwell with the aid of a local mechanic, and one of the machines had even flown. The Air Force statement said it was possible that Caldwell had conducted subsequent experiments with improved models based on the two inoperative prototypes that were discovered in the barn on his farm. the technical officer in charge of the investigation said that in flight both models could resemble a flying saucer and could be prototypes of other perfected machines that might actually have been seen in American skies. Now the AF would have to locate Caldwell and find out if he had done any work on them since then, and for whom. The two machines had been abandoned for years on that ramshackle farm and were falling to pieces along with it. Restoration was out of the question. Besides, Caldwell had conceded that it would be finacially impossible to realise his ideas.

The builder had tried to combine the advantages and dynamic principles of the airplane and the helicopter and as a result the models had round wings and contrarotating propellors. But that was more than enough to stimulate the even the most sliggish imagination. Hadn't the saucers remained motionless in the air just like helicopters? And finally, didn't they seem to prefer the skies over the US, the native country of the builder- who incidentally could not be found?

Well, apparently the USAF totally revoked that staement 24 hrs later, saying that the craft "have absolutely no connection with the reported phenomena of flying saucers". You should be able to research that one, apparently it got quite a lot of press in the USA.

As for BArt , here's what he sent me:

From: Bart

Dear Mark, Thanks for the reply. My friend was in US intelligence. I'll give you the background as to how all of this came about. I happened to mention to her my interest in UFOs, NASA coverups, Roswell, etc. She knew about Roswell from conversations within the defense industry, but had not read anything about the case. At one point she was connected with the stealth program and noticed that the program seemed to have sprung into existence in full bloom, rather than starting off slowly as most research projects do. She asked two people independently where the stealth technology came from, and they both told her it came from the crash at Roswell. I had heard the stories within the UFO community that technology from the Roswell crash had been used by the military, but I never took the stories seriously. I tend to lean toward skepticism, although I am very open-minded and interested in UFOs (and would love for their existence to be proven). But hearing this story from someone that I knew personally really put it in a new light.

She said that occasionally people would confide in her and eventually pieces of info from different sources began to add up. She suggested that I research James Forrestal, who was Secretary of Defense when the Roswell crash occurred. I discovered on the internet in Willian Cooper's writings that Forrestal was opposed to the policy of secrecy surrounding the crash, and wanted to go public with the information. He was subsequently committed to a mental institution and hung himself. Cooper suggests that he was murdered. Of course, Cooper is suspected by many as being a source of disinformation. But I told my friend what I had found. She said that Forrestal definitely did not kill himself, and her information came not from UFO literature but from sources she encountered on her own. She later sent me the following information: Dear Bart,

That this information was available and being written about is a complete surprise to me. I stumbled across some brief references to Forrestal (non UFO connections) back in 1990 while I was working as an analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency. I was a history major, so I tend to view events chronologically and automatically look for context and connectivity to other events. My previous inside knowledge of Roswell and the dates of the ensuing investigation (and cover up) were too irresistable for me to ignore. Glad I could put you on an interesting path, but you haven't exhausted the Forrestal clue as yet. Good luck. You next clue: Truman/Eisenhauer/NACA/Forrestal and a Navy Panther that dissappeared somewhere over Ohio in 1949. Portions of the aircraft and pilot turned up several weeks later at a UFO crash site. Have fun, you've only scratched the surface. Wish I could tell you more, but there is much I cannot reveal without some personal risk ... I was employed in at top secret position at the time and my nondisclosure agreement is a lifetime clause. You might also continue to follow these clues: Lockheed/Skunkworks/U-2/Eisenhauer ... there is some interesting connectivity to Roswell here as well ... for instance, the party line is that the U-2 was designed and built by a U.S. aircraft genius in only 88 days ... Right!!! Also ... checkout the history of the U.S.S. Nautilaus (automic version) ... be specifically mindful of the nuclear design and how radically different it was from traditional thinking at the time ... this will lead you to the Rickover/Jimmy Carter connection and Carter's infatuation with UFOs (by the way...he never really saw one...that's just a convenient cover story). Also check carefully the chronology of NACA/Nautilaus/Skunkworks ... pretty fascinating stuff. Oh, got another good one for you (and this is really wild): Check out Disney/Disneyland/Early Funding. I won't say more ... if you're really into this stuff the Disney connection and an expensive cover up will really intrigue you. When purposefully false rumors about Disney's homosexuality (leaked by the FBI) didn't work, someone (?) was forced to fund much of the construction of the original Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. Guess what Disney knew? Cooper is right (and wrong) about a lot of things. One last clue that will lead you back to Roswell via the Skunkworks: Blackbird/Alloy/South Africa/Dow-Corning. Hmm...one other stop along the way...check out the connection between North American's Flying Wing and current Stealth aircraft (if you find references to the B-58 Hustler, follow that also). Several hundred Husters were built between 1957 and 1959, then retired abruptly from service in 1963. At the time they were the fastest aircraft (speed over Mach 3, but reported at Mach 2). Care to guess why they were pulled out of service? Would you believe for national security reasons? Go figure. Officially, they were retired because they were "too technologically advanced." In reality, they were not advanced enough for the real reason they were built. By the way, Shockley "invented" the transistor at Bell Labs in 1958 ... wanna make some connections of your own ... this one leads directly to hanger 54. Wish I knew more, but this is strictly guy stuff. One more intriguing question ... why do you think Howard Hughs was a recluse? Ever hear of the Glomar Explorer? Was it really built just to recover Soviet subs should they sink, or was it built to recover something else? Well, I've run off at the mouth much too much. But you have some neat clues here. They will all fall into place ... I promise.

So there it is! I tired of trying to research the leads she gave me, it can get rather time consuming. She did tell me later that the Hustler was built specifically to chase UFOs, but couldn't even begin to keep up with them. As I said before, I can't verify the accuracy of any of this. It's possible that the information given to my friend was itself disinformation...who knows how far a coverup could extend. Some people even think that the government uses UFO stories to cover up other covert operations, research projects, advanced aircraft, etc. Vallee has some interesting ideas along those lines.

But anything you find as a result of these leads could provide interesting corroboration or not, as the case may be. If you discover anything, please let me know!

I'm after info on the following if you have any leads: Phil Dick, Uri Geller and orbiting non human machine intelligences circa 1974/5. I temporarily forgot the other thing! pesky microwave weapons! Anyway, I'll remember soon I'm sure.



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